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Where are the "real" JKD men in NHB? I've seen most of Paulson's no rules fights, but he fights more like a shootfighter. Why hasn't anyone else stepped up to truly represent Bruce's teachings? Just curious.
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Rubbaneck
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Erik Paulson, Chad Stahelski, and several others have represented JKD and Bruce's Philosophy pretty well in NHB style matches in Japan and else where. You have to remember that the fact that he fights "like a shootfighter" shows that he's adapting well to the arena he's in, and that's just what Bruce talked about.
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You could also say that Paulson fights like a shootfighter, because he has gravitated towards that style of fighting. JKD is all about finding the "truth" in combat, yourself, and in life. It may be that it is the shootfighting style is the style that suits him best. In other words, it is his "truth." Just like Larry Hartsell focuses a lot on grappling while Paul Vunak focuses more on pure streetfighting. They are both considered a big part of the JKD community, yet they have very distinct styles. Roy Harris wrote a good article on the JKD experience that he posted on his website (www.royharris.com).
As for the answer to your original question, ponder upon this: some people say that NHB fighters are the true JKDers. They find out the truth in combat by testing it out in combat against resisting opponents. They have experienced many situations and styles that have lead them to create their own personal style, or "truth." They may not claim JKD as their style, but then JKD is not really a style anyway. It is a philosophy.Comment
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To answer you in a simple but effective way...
Apply a rule, no matter what the rule, to yourself or anything else and you become conformed to the rule and not 'free'.
As it could be said, if you want to fight then, baby, you had better kill me; before I get you... that holds so true and umm well the NHB as far as I see it would not for an instance allow something to "break" their "rules".
And to say but you can just take it easy or not try to kill them and only stop them or hurt them a little... WHY? answer yourself that, why step into combat of which is obviously going to lead to the innevitable "pain" to one or the other and restrict yourself from avoiding the "pain" of which you "really" do not have the desire for in the first place,YET, if it comes then it is reflected but I then also say not exactly but infinitely and to let yourself go and as they say (hehehe) "react" to a situation... YOU MUST SHED ALL OF YOUR BONDS AND STEP OUT OF THE CAGE THAT IS CONFORMITY! NHB is another conformity sorry.
But as said if it seeks then it shall find.. that goes for everything, inclusive of comabt, you seek it and it finds you.
And another thing to think about, what would the NHB say if due to circustance arising in the heat of it, due to say some "nice strike" put in by the opponent, you break his arm or leg then send him sprawling and then only to ensure he stays down by reinforcing the message your returning ?
They would have a heart attack hehe such outbursts are not tolerated they would say and on it would go...
I say "if you touch then your gonna be touched, yet I will not force you to touch"
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whoa there is light amongst the darkness... hungrywolf21 says it very well in also explaining...
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To use the excuse "I won't use my skills in competition because they're designed for real fighting," or "They're too deadly" is to go the way of the Boxer Rebellion. It's BS that a JKD man can't use those skills with good effect in the ring. Sure there are some rules, but if we can't win a fight without the eye gouge, what does that say? Why practice all the other ranges and tools if that single eye gouge was the real difference? I'm just saying that you have to watch out that you don't justify the lack of participation with BS excuses about how rules would make things too artificial.
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two can only dance to their own tune for so long before things become push and shove from no flow ...
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The bottom line is that a complete fighter/ martial artist/ whatever should be able to perform competently with any rules, or else he's not really a complete fighter. NHB events aren't the way to find out who isthe ultimate warrior death match champion. It is, however, a chance for one to test himself under real situations with real pressure. Here's a post that I wrote on another forum regarding SBG philosophy, which has affected me deeply on how I choose to train myself. I started my "fighting" journey sometime ago when we decided to take our stick training onto the full contact field. Fighting with just fencing mask, it is hard to get participants to come out and train with you, so we ran into the problem of how to train for real functinal stickfighting without having to fight each time. I feel that fighting is necessary to test yourself, the amount of gear you wear is up to you, but if you've never done it with minimal gear (a light mask) or no gear, how could you possibly know what the experience of real energy is? We now incorporate progressive isolated sparring drills that train real energy that will really try to hit the opponent.
So here is the post:
Maybe because the way you train it needs to evolve. I think the point is not that trapping doesn't work, even a parry is a sort of a trap, I think the point is that it isn't trained correctly. People need to train with resistance. Stuart and I started doing full contact stick fighting some time back. The biggest problem that we came up with after was how did we practice??? We knew that the way we had been training was not the most efficent way. When we ran across SBG web site, it made us rethink and after seeing the vids helped us to start training smart. I see alot of guys train a jab, tap, jab, tap, jab, tap. This is a good drill, but even better when you put a mask on and gloves and jab at each other with resistance, timing and the proper energy. Or what develops better sensitivity? Hubud the way so many people do it or clinching with grappling gloves on and a headgear and both guys can do only one punch? Well, they both give you sensitivity, but the clinching against a real punch is going to give you the real sensitivity to not get hit in a real clinch in a real street situation. For us almost every practice involves the use of the mask. Live training prepares you for live encounters. Thats the kind you will find on the street. Training against resistance prepares you for training against a resistant opponent. Thats the kind you will find on the street. Training against real punches and kicks will prepare you for real punches and kicks. Thats the kind you will find on the street. Training to be comfortable against what DOES happen in a fight will help you to be comfortable when you are in a real fight. Matt has helped me to realize that we have to train to deal with what happens in a real fight, which is punching, kicking, closing the gap, clinching, takedowns, and groundfighting. The first thing isn't all about what you can do the other guy, its all about whatthe other guy can do to you. If you can't be comfortable with a guy trying to do all of this to you, let's face it, really, if you can't imagine yourself getting into a real sparring match with a macho headgear and facecage and grappling gloves with UFC or NHB rules against your friend today after work or school, how can you even begin to think or have the confidence to say that your MA training will protect you in a self-defense situation. Especially if you've never been in a real confrontation. Be true and honest to and with yourself.
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BTW, how would you kill someone in an empty hand fight?Comment
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JKD guys
Who's to say they AREN'T "tearing it up"?
I believe when we look at guys like Sakuraba, Silva, Couture, etc., what we're seeing are guys that are cross-trained and highly skilled THROUGHOUT all ranges of fighting (especially Silva and Sakuraba, though Couture is certainly as effective).
Isn't that what JKD was supposed to be about?
I think we're seeing the FRUITION of JKD concepts in these events although it may not appear to be such to the minds of "Classical JKD stylists" (JKD-DO).
Being a JKD man should simply mean, that one has the ability to fight in all ranges--plain and simple.
People just have this idea that JKD is supposed to "LOOK" like something (stylistic). We all know that JKD is NOT a style.
Having said that, the better fighters are simply expressing JKD. At least IMHO.
Good training to all!
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Thank you again this time to John...!
NO style, no rules, no boundries, no conformity... only truth... thats where the true warrior lies and the true china doll as well but again we have balance yet we do not realise it.. yes we humans are fragile but we have the power to move mountains remember or do you ???
Freedom Ultimate is to truely know ones own worth and worthlessness...
Regards...
PS: does not to fight "all ranges" ultimately mean no rules though john ?? hehehe
[Edited by Dion on 01-10-2001 at 06:44 PM]Comment
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NHB may not completely reflect the reality of a street fight without rules, but is the closest we can ethically get to it. NHB is a sport, but just as boxing contains many truths about punching and judo contains many truths about throwing, NHB contains a lion's size portion of the reality of fighting. I believe this to be true because of its few-and I can't emphasize that enough-rules. The NHB format allows fighter more freedom than any other form of competition.
I'm doing a training intensive with Eric Paulson in Frebruary, so I will be able to comment intelegently then.
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and from there the step grows into the walk...
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I think that was a compliment...
Thanks DionComment
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the pleasure is all yours...
Freedom ultimate!
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To play Devil's advocate...
I think it was said best when the lack of training (correctly) was mentioned. JKD is a style. Traps work. I don't think I've ever read so much self-serving & misguided references to Bruce Lee's words in a very long time. Just tell me the name of one martial art NOT based on some philosophy. Then, I challenge you to point out the lack of a style contained within it.
Wanna fight NHB, then learn how to grapple 'cause your striking sucks. Your opponent's learn grapple defense, then learn how to strike 'cause your grappling sucks. Whatever you think gives you a quick fix advantage, right? Puhleeze!
There are no excuses for someone to claim the rules prevent participation from NHB events. That's BS! Like Chad mentioned,..."The bottom line is that a complete fighter/ martial artist/ whatever should be able to perform competently with any rules, or else he's not really a complete fighter. NHB events aren't the way to find out who isthe ultimate warrior death match champion. It is, however, a chance for one to test himself under real situations with real pressure..." Ahmen to that, Brother!
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