Why doesn't anyone seem to understand JKD??

[wado_kai]

After some amount of reading I have realised no one really seems to know what JKD is, sum ppl think of it as a style, sum ppl quote bruce lee and pretend to know what there talking about!

Look at it this way, the name of an art is irrelevant for a start so instead say bruce lee called it the style of "fighting", and in this style of fighting there was no set number of techniques or even a set syllabus, people just learned to "fight", the only restrictions are the physical restraints of the each INDIVIDUALS body!! they learned about theselves and ther own body and what it could do and utilised it to its maximum potential. Maximising there strong points and strenghtning there weak points!

JKD is simply the art of fighting . . the martial art!

[Tant01]

I see, so the concept of INTERCEPTING has NOTHING TO DO with JKD? It's NOT a style of gong-fu? It's NOT a WAY to train for fighting?

Who are you? And your experience with JKD comes from WHO?

[wado_kai]

I see, so the concept of INTERCEPTING has NOTHING TO DO with JKD? It's NOT a style of gong-fu? It's NOT a WAY to train for fighting?

Who are you? And your experience with JKD comes from WHO?

I am just a humbly martial artist stating my opinion . .

The concept of intercepting hmmm . . . ., well once you develope in speed in a martial art mental and physical you become able to see a punch coming move swiflty to counter it, my main strenght due to my hand speed.

Now lets look at in the context of bruce lee, he was beginning to read past the restraints of wing chun and develope his own adapted way of fighting to suit HIS strengths, his speed! He was able to when fighting simply read and intercept opponents, so as he was beginning to teach he simply adopted the name JKD for what he was teaching at his skools, the way of the intercepting fist, merely a name which as he said later he wished he had never invented.

As he progressed as a martial artist so did "JKD" or as i gave the example his "fighting"!! it is as organic and living as bruce himself and as he progressed so did JKD, free from any restraints and his classical wing chun continually developing as a fighter tryin to pass on his teachings under the skool banner of JKD, most ppl not realising what he was tryin to teach and simply looking to learn the "style" of JKD! BL recognised this and closed his skools!! he rejected the idea of JKD as this trapped it!!

JKD was an extension of bruce lee himself an ever developing and learning fighter!! yes a lot of what he knew was based on his knowledge of wing chun as this was his first contact with the martial arts. he had progressed far beyond wing chun and any style, his only style was fighting as was "JKD" meant to be! it is certainly not a form of gung - fu (or in mandarin kung - fu) or any style!

Did I say it was not a way to prepare for fighting?? no . . i said "JKD" simply was the art of fighting free from any syllabus, it is practising the art of fighting!! many people mistaking the tao of JKD as just that, however it was a collection of BL's notes throughout his years of study in his life! He knew it was impossible to categorise fighting into styles this breaks it down, as he said all fighting was spontaneous!!

At the end of the day i am from a ruff council estate, i know fighting when shit kicks off a reverse hook kick to the head is not on the list!! what my training gives me is speed power and reactions!!

[CS J0ker]

I still dont get it, but its me so eh.

[Tant01]

Cool...

I am just a humbly martial artist stating my opinion . .

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At the end of the day i am from a ruff council estate, i know fighting when shit kicks off a reverse hook kick to the head is not on the list!! what my training gives me is speed power and reactions!!

As Pendekar de Thouars says "Strength is garbage. Speed is garbage. Timing is everything."

You don't need to study JKD to know that action is faster than reaction...

You must be some kind of fighter... Thanks for your opinion.

[JkD187]

After some amount of reading I have realised no one really seems to know what JKD is, sum ppl think of it as a style, sum ppl quote bruce lee and pretend to know what there talking about!

Look at it this way, the name of an art is irrelevant for a start so instead say bruce lee called it the style of "fighting", and in this style of fighting there was no set number of techniques or even a set syllabus, people just learned to "fight", the only restrictions are the physical restraints of the each INDIVIDUALS body!! they learned about theselves and ther own body and what it could do and utilised it to its maximum potential. Maximising there strong points and strenghtning there weak points!

JKD is simply the art of fighting . . the martial art!

Maybe your the one that dosnt understand...ever think about it like that?

[wado_kai]

Could be that I dont understand?? who knows? after all i have become dissalusioned with the martial arts and began to move away from it. maybe this was the difference between me and BL, he began to move away from wing chun and progress through his own learning not just accepting what u are told, i have stopped training.

yes timing is key in sparring or competition, however what good is it if u can not move quick enough to make use of it or to strong enough to make it effective! after all it is the power that hurts a man!! what good is the action if it is ineffective . . a wast of energy!! that sounds gd and rhymes even, action maybe be quicker however everything that the body does is some form of reaction, in fact that is the same for the universe, well so einstein says!

I was attacked last night by 4 guys outside my favourite club, what good does timing do then?? the only thing that counts is being able to hit as hard and as fast as you can you cant allow for time. the way martial arts are taught now dont help u in that situation, the roundhouse kick doesnt help(that doesnt mean i would stop practising it, the opportunity to use one could arise, however unlikely), not logical when you have jeans and heavy shoes on .. a swift kick in the groin more like! even running (if i had the chance lol).

Most streetfights involve simply just blasts off punches (obv unless an opponent is downed etc), simpliest of techniques to learn, most top level martial arts involving striking is the same, no messing short sharp techinques i.e the straight punch! it is found in all striking martial arts!! and all striking martial arts involve this technique the stright punch, i sense some sort of a link!


hmmm . . .i think i am drifting here lol!! feel free to slate my opinions!! thats why i put them out ther!

[GQchris]

what would Bruce do in a multiple opponent encounter?

[wado_kai]

who knows, i dont think even he would till he had done it. maybe run, maybe be able to fight them off (i got my arse kicked lol), maybe pull out nun chuks, maybe get a kickin to?? loosing is as much a part of martial arts as winning, as he said everyone is ready to win but no one is ready to loose( or words to that effect) no one can say what they will do in that situation, it happins and it happins quick!!

[Tant01]

Time.... For bed. Good night!

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yes timing is key in sparring or competition, however what good is it if u can not move quick enough to make use of it or to strong enough to make it effective! after all it is the power that hurts a man!! what good is the action if it is ineffective . . a wast of energy!! ......
... action maybe be quicker however everything that the body does is some form of reaction, in fact that is the same for the universe, well so einstein says!

.....feel free to slate my opinions!! thats why i put them out ther!

Timing is EVERYTHING! You walk to a rhythm of motion, so does anyone else. Mine won't be the same as yours. If you can interupt my rhythm or strike between the cadence of the natural rhythm then you CREATE TIME by your ACTION I must REACT to maintain my upright position by moving my feet AGAIN. This provides more time for your NEXT action that will cause yet another REACTION....

I've been through the school of hard knocks (Knock'em down N stomp'em)... Get off the "reaction" mindset of the victim and start attacking! Make THEM REACT to your action... Don't try to give me a physics lesson. Just HIT!


Quickness is an illusion... The hand is quicker than the eye by deception only! Remember THAT! Distance = time, the closer the distance the smaller amount of time they will have to REACT. Quickness is an illusion because you can ANTICIPATE the action and react before the action starts. Or just intercept it after it starts, you have all the time you need or you make time!

Sen Sen No Sen...


The end.

[wado_kai]

I am not disagreeing on timing being a key element, I have competed at a decent level of competition and yes it is, but timing does not kill a man does it?? so how can u disregard speed and strength?? speed is an illusion . .?? u dont say that wen it hits u in the face and u didnt see it coming!! yes u can read and intercept movement however what good does this do if the attack is from behind!!timing is just another form of reaction is it not! Action requires reaction, the reaction of the signals sent from the brain to the fist allows action! i'm not talking of re - action. you misunderstand, you think i wait to see what my opponent/s does then react . .? no, i dont give them that opportunity!! i wait for nothing, that can get u killed!

The skool of hard knocks and timming. . tell me how does this help you when your are being held down by men twice your size, afterall im only 5"9 ten and a bit stone, getting ur face stomped on?? a cheap shot or bottle in the back of the head, were does timing come in?? when someone is sticking ur head thru a car window how does timing help?? can i ask, have u ever been stabbed??? do you practise any of this in class??

this is reality and it happins, life is not some countryside kung fu film or even a competition that gets out of hand!! what if ur drunk, what if ur not well and find it hard to move, what if u have a sore leg, most martial arts now dont allow for these circumstances and this is life.

I do plan to start training again mainly for my instructor as he had high hopes for me, maybe i can get back to into it, maybe i will never be the same fighter i was, however one thing i do kno as i cand differ reality and class, i dont rely on a spinning hook kick when i am walking down the road!!

This is what BL knew and tried to bring acroos in JKD!

[Escrima Jim]

Get off the "reaction" mindset of the victim and start attacking! Make THEM REACT to your action... Don't try to give me a physics lesson. Just HIT!


Quickness is an illusion... The hand is quicker than the eye by deception only! Remember THAT! Distance = time, the closer the distance the smaller amount of time they will have to REACT. Quickness is an illusion because you can ANTICIPATE the action and react before the action starts. Or just intercept it after it starts, you have all the time you need or you make time
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At last someone who understands the concepts of movement, timing and distance. When you react to his action, he has forced you into that. When you attack, you choose the time, distance and power, which then forces him to move, fight, lose or get hit.

It's great to hear people speak of illusion's. Martial Arts is full of them. Speed = Power. Bollocks!!!!!. Movement, focus, timing, distance, transition = power.

Why hit someone with just the motion of your arm or leg, when you can move that bit better and hit with you whole body, again and again.

Hitting someone ahrd is easy, hitting them hard all day, that's the Art. Don't water down your MARTIAL ART, with too much ART

[Escrima Jim]

Get off the "reaction" mindset of the victim and start attacking! Make THEM REACT to your action... Don't try to give me a physics lesson. Just HIT!


Quickness is an illusion... The hand is quicker than the eye by deception only! Remember THAT! Distance = time, the closer the distance the smaller amount of time they will have to REACT. Quickness is an illusion because you can ANTICIPATE the action and react before the action starts. Or just intercept it after it starts, you have all the time you need or you make time
.

At last someone who understands the concepts of movement, timing and distance. When you react to his action, he has forced you into that. When you attack, you choose the time, distance and power, which then forces him to move, fight, lose or get hit.

It's great to hear people speak of illusion's. Martial Arts is full of them. Speed = Power. Bollocks!!!!!. Movement, focus, timing, distance, transition = power.

Why hit someone with just the motion of your arm or leg, when you can move that bit better and hit with you whole body, again and again.

Hitting someone hard is easy, hitting them hard all day, that's the Art. Don't water down your MARTIAL ART, with too much ART

[wado_kai]

At last someone who understands the concepts of movement, timing and distance. When you react to his action, he has forced you into that. When you attack, you choose the time, distance and power, which then forces him to move, fight, lose or get hit.

It's great to hear people speak of illusion's. Martial Arts is full of them. Speed = Power. Bollocks!!!!!. Movement, focus, timing, distance, transition = power.

Why hit someone with just the motion of your arm or leg, when you can move that bit better and hit with you whole body, again and again.

Hitting someone hard is easy, hitting them hard all day, that's the Art. Don't water down your MARTIAL ART, with too much ART

that is why it is important not to wait for an attack but to attack first, this is what i have been saying!!! there are two meanings of reaction, try learning them both!! u misunderstand me, focus and timing are mental, unfortunately to win a fight u must get physical, speed+strength does equal power, its science my friend!

i think i am being misunderstood, i know fully the importance of timing etc, this was my biggest strength in "competition" fighting, i could just sit there watching, i read a punch coming almost as instantaneous as my opponent had the intent to throw it, combined with my speed i could then slip a simple counter in. this was when i was at my best! i could win with barely breaking sweat alot of the time. but then as i say how does this help me there are 6 attackers from six diff angles, u gotta hope u got a good pain threshold!!

[Escrima Jim]

Ok, you say, you'd throw a punch/counter as soon, as the attacker has. Why not read his body and pre empt his movement, not his strike, the movement comes first. As you read his body, you strike. The only reason people block is because their attack would of been too slow. if you saw the danger, why wait to react to his attack, if you have time to defend you have time to attack.

Focus and timing are mental, NO, your body react's to movement, power, timing of their attack. How can these be mental, when we can see a bad timed and unfocused attack or defence.

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