Feints (Fakes)

[Hardball]

They say that Feints are the mark of the expert fighter. They say with two equally matched fighters--the one who fakes the best will win. How do you feel about fakes? I like to fake with my eyes, my shoulders, my hands and my feet. Sometimes I get a big reaction from my sparring partner and sometimes I get no reaction. Fakes can destroy a fighter's timing and leave an opening in a tough defense. What is your experience with feints? Both from an offensive standpoint and defensive standpoint?

[aseepish]

Feints are great. I like to use a pain-shot (thigh kick, groin attack) to get my opponent's attention, fake the shot again, and strike on a different line. That usually gets a big reaction. Classic PIA (Progressive Indirect Attack) from JKD theory.

Subtle feints (using the eyes and shoulders) paradoxically work best with a more experienced opponent. Beginners don't typically react to them - they don't know any better!

[Tant01]

Mostly....

AITE-NO-TSUKURI
Conditioning of your opponent or partner. This is the preparing or setting up of your opponent in order to execute your technique so that it is most effective. Once you have got him in the most advantageous position for you, you then execute your technique.


"There are many possible combinations and many variations in their application (in some cases the initial attack is merely a feint) but the principle remains the same, i.e. to utilize the opponent's reaction to one attack to unbalance him and leave him vulnerable to attack by another technique." --Teizo Kawamura, Judo Combination Techniques

[BoarSpear]

It all depends on your definition of a feint...i dont care for physical movements as fakes, however, Attack by deception is the sign of an expert.

One thing can look like another, posture and an apparent lack of attention can lure your "victim" into a false assumption and cause them to launch a less than optimal attack. i use "Eagle vision" (periphial vision) so it appears you arent paying attention as well as practicing taiji which is known for "Whirling hands around opponents head before delivering strike" as my grandad called it. This "whirling" is actually the fient or sublimal gesture hidden in Taiji, this is also hidden in the "framing" of the hands in the FMA's i also walk with a cane with a heavy chrome skull head so people often assume im another injured old biker...not feints in the physical sense of the word, but they serve to put the other guys mind and body in the "wrong" place.

Edit...We also stress Attacking the sky to create an opening at the ground. Or attacking the Ground (leg) to create an opening at the sky (head).

[>:)]

absolutely i use feints, one of the best ways to read, study and errr disect your opponent. fighting with your brain is just as important as fighting with your muscles. IMO a truely great fighter should know how to feint, draw, decept and also understand how to falsely react to their opponents feints. feinting a feint

[thtackett]

They are good against a blocker or runner, but shouldn't work against someone who knows JKD.

[jeff5]

In my experience they're extremely useful. When I spar I used PIA (progressive indirect attack), and I score with it quite a bit. Even a plain old good fake can make an opening. The trick is to do them right. Like a magician almost. You have to make your opponent believe you are really attacking him/her in that area, when you actually aren't. You HAVE to sell it really well, or its useless.

[thtackett]

If a guy fakes or feints don't try to block or run. Hit him! PIA was never meant to work against JKD. It was developed for the type of fighter who blocks and hits or runs. Bruce told this to Bremer. We worked on this in Dan Inosanto's backyard and even showed this in Dan's first book. The 5 ways of attack are not meant to work against all types of opponents.

[Tant01]

Can I quote you on that?

If a guy fakes or feints don't try to block or run. Hit him! .......

Thanks Mr. Tackett. If you don't mind I'm keeping this as a quote from you!

[thtackett]

It was first said by Bruce.

[Tant01]

Seems like something he'd say.... I'll just stick it in my notepad for refrence then. Thanks kindly.

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

Subtle feints (using the eyes and shoulders) paradoxically work best with a more experienced opponent. Beginners don't typically react to them - they don't know any better!

This is funny but very true. When i stay around to help with the beginning classes i usually just leave feints out of it, i feel like i'm using the perfect bait on blind fish!

[Tant01]

Feints or false attacks are especially brutal (deadly or bloody) with blades...

[BoarSpear]

Feints or false attacks are especially brutal (deadly or bloody) with blades...

......... Enganyo

[knifethrower]

This "whirling" is actually the fient or sublimal gesture hidden in Taiji, this is also hidden in the "framing" of the hands in the FMA's

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