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  • #1

    training alone

    hi
    im new around here and i was just wondernig if there is anyway to train alone? i have no school or acadamey to go to where someone can teach me so i was wondering if anyone can give me a routine where i can train alone....
    sometimes i shadowbox, but im not really sure if im doing it right... sometimes my shoulders, my rear delts more specifically ache when i do it and sometimes i hear it snap and make sounds (must be my roator cuffs i dont know)...
    for grappling how can i grapple alone? how can i practice grappling by myself??
    lastly, do u guys know any good site which has full detail on how to teach a person striking and grappling techniques?t
    thanx
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    Originally posted by sensi
    hi
    im new around here and i was just wondernig if there is anyway to train alone? i have no school or acadamey to go to where someone can teach me so i was wondering if anyone can give me a routine where i can train alone....
    sometimes i shadowbox, but im not really sure if im doing it right... sometimes my shoulders, my rear delts more specifically ache when i do it and sometimes i hear it snap and make sounds (must be my roator cuffs i dont know)...
    for grappling how can i grapple alone? how can i practice grappling by myself??
    lastly, do u guys know any good site which has full detail on how to teach a person striking and grappling techniques?t
    thanx
    First, I'll address the "grappling alone" issue. Erik Paulson has developed a dummy for solo grappling training that he calls the "Motion Master." I've seen pictures of it, but never used it. However, having met and trained with Paulson at seminars, I'm sure that it's an effective training tool. The man definitely knows the area and is very intelligent. Go to http://www.erikpaulson.com and click on the "Motion Master" link at the bottom of the page.

    Aside from that, solo training is possible ... but incredibly difficult. You can use videos and books ... but these are very limited in their usefulness. They really shouldn't be used for anything other than reference material (for stuff you're already familiar with). The problem with them is that they are not dynamic. You can't ask them questions. No matter how many times you watch/read it, the angles of perspective never change ... so if something is not shown clearly, it will never be shown clearly.

    Also, in the martial arts, in order to properly learn something, you really need to have 3 elements:
    1) See it done correctly
    2) Feel it done correctly
    3) Have guidance in doing it until it's correct

    Books and video only cover one of these ... period. Even if you get a training partner (unless s/he's familiar with the material), you may or may not be feeling and doing it correctly.

    If there isn't a good school near enough to you, then these are your only choice ... but if you really want it (IMHO), then there will be a good school near enough to you (i.e.: you'll be willing to travel as far as it takes if you really want it).

    So, where do you live and what kind of training are you looking for? Maybe someone here will know of something near you that you're unaware of (there are a lot of good instructors who aren't commercial, don't have schools, don't advertise, but who teach small classes or privates at their homes or in borrowed space).

    Mike

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    • #3
      Sensi,
      Where do you live?

      There has to be at least one Boxing gym near you. You might even be able to find a decent wrestling club in your area. Contact USA Wrestling, see if they know of any clubs. Around here the PAL has an outstanding Boxing Club and one of our Rec Center boxing teams has produced two Golden Gloves champs as well as numerous pro fighters. A place like that could give you just the enviroment you need to develop some "Functional" skills.

      There are always options.

      Peace,
      Paul Sharp

      Best Martial Arts School in Arlington - Champion BJJ
      http://www.championjiujitsu.com
      Champion BJJ is the Best Martial Arts School and BJJ Gym in Arlington for Kids & Adults to Build Focus, Confidence, Have Fun, and Get Fit.



      [Edited by Paul Sharp on 01-17-2001 at 11:00 AM]

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      • #4
        There is a Training Prtner Contact Board at http://www.fullcontacthi.com and one at Pekiti Tersia International at http://www.pekiti-tirsia.com . Loki Jorgeson also has a site with instructors in the area, forgot the URL though.

        For grappling tips check out http://www.royharris.com .

        Try and meet someone interested in real training. Train with him, even if you guys don't have any instructors around. As long as you have a macho headgear with a facecage and someoen can throw a jab at you, you can practice with a partner, he doesn't need to be a punching expert, just as long as he can throw a punch at you.

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        • #5
          Sensi

          Hey sensi. Do you have a ymca near you try calling them they usually have some sort of program. Also try http://www.bigyellow.com (thats right the yellow pages online) Do a search on karate in your area you can detail it by distance. Also try http://www.blackbeltmag.com and use the dojo search. There are a couple of other places but try these 2. Let me know how it goes.

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          • #6
            sensei the reason no one can give you advice for how to train alone is because it is not a good idea. you cant fight by yourself and you prepare for a fight by yourself. every area have places to go to train even if you dont like the school that is avaliable to you. you could at least join to see what they got to offer you and to have sparring partner. videos are the easy way out. they are not for people who want to fight but for people who want to "conceoptualize" fighting (did i use that word right?).

            if you just dont have the money to train at a school get some frineds and spar with them and train. but teaching yourself is like a five years old kid teaching himself to read. you can do it but its not a good idea.

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            • #7
              I have to disagree with not being able to train yourself, that is a phallacy and nothing more a mere ego trip from some saying that with out this "way" or that "way" you will never get anywhere... sorry but CRAP!

              Take a look again back in history and at those people who first came up with the 'arts' guides, they did not let people tell them that something could not be done or they would get no where, if that were true then you can logically say that "martial arts" as we know it would have NEVER existed, remember it is the *Mastering* of ones 'own art', the "styles" are all there as guides that people can follow if they feel they do not have the self dedication to train themselves.

              Yes I do agree that this move and that move may not be right when someone unknowing starts but if they have dedication to themselves and both the creativity to make themself an 'artist' and the logic to keep the 'creative' urges in line then they can be as good as any other artist in any field... SELF-DEDICATION is the key to it.

              If you truely desire to find your own 'art' then nothing will stand in your way.

              **nothing was meant to be taken as the gospel truth, for if it was then we would not have that which we call "free will"...**

              Freedom Ultimate... !

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              #8
              Hey dion, no need to tell kuntaw he's full of crap. Really, don't be THAT guy.

              Kuntawman knows his shit. Plain and simple. If he says you can't train alone, I assure he has a reason for saying it. Some of the people on this forum are better to listen to, than be rude to, and i'd say he's one of them. Argue with anyone all you like..discussion and disagreement are the points of this forum..but don't be such a rude ass. Just advice from me.

              Now, sensi, I also argue with Kuntaw's blanket statement. I say you CAN train alone. You CAN'T 'learn to fight' alone, however. The two aren't totally the same.

              Training is what you do to reach the goal. Fighting is what you are capable of after having arrived. You train to learn to fight better. Hitting a heavy bag in a basement with no help whatsoever for 10 minutes a day for a month would make you a better fighter than you are now. Even if you didn't know how to evade punches, groundfight, use sticks..whatever.. that alone would move you toward your goal...which is improvement. People here are all fanatics, myself included. if you say "I want to learn how to fight but I don't have a teacher and I don't have anyone to fight with"...well, we all respond "it's not possible"..because we are all at a certain place in our training journey. We expect an awful lot from our instructors, ourselves, and our classmates, and we often forget that you gotta walk before running.
              Understand, I think a person needs to beat on someone else, and vice versa, to learn to fight. I don't think there is any other way if you have a goal of reaching a certain level of proficiency..ie, you want to be a 'good fighter'. I don't just mean a casual "sparring session" every friday either. I mean lots of sparring, with varying rules and degrees of contact. That's the only way to stare mr. toughguy down confidentally. why? Cause you gotta get hit, and hit back, to figure out what it's all about. No amount of theorizing can do that for you. It takes lots of sparring (hence my agreement with the suggestion for western boxing gyms and ymca judo).

              However, don't forget that's a long, long path to walk..in fact, the better you get, the longer it gets. It's good to spar from the very start in my opinion. Real, boxing type sparring..Or hard wrestling. Or both. I say go at it from the start. The 'training' is teh answer to your questions. The fighting is where you learn what the questions are. But, if you can't do that, you still gotta train right? And sinc eyou are just starting, don't let it get you down too much. You have a lot you can do still yet without another person for help.

              So work on individual skills that don't require a person. Who knows where you'll live in two years, or what'll move close to you for that matter. And with two years of solo training, you'll be that much better for the instructor you finally get. Or teh training partner.

              That's what I did for a couple years. I did it because a shoulder injury took me out of classroom participation.. I could have paid for classes, but I"d have only been able to half participate, so I didn't. Who wants to end up with the hurt guy as his partner in class that day?

              The boxing gym suggestion, and the ymca suggestion are both great places to start. It can be really hard to find a boxing gym in your area, even if gthere are 10 nearby. They don't advertise much, and they don't often have a yellow pages entry either. However, a western boxing gym is a great place to start.

              Most ymca's have a judo class. They are also great places to make a foundation in fighting.

              Solo training isn't so hard. Just keep working on your fundamental skills. You can't shadow box wrong..as shadowboxing is a method of improvement.. Shadowboxing is one of the very important areas to train, so don't stop. Try hanging a towel from your ceiling by one corner of the towel. Use it as a target for your shadowboxing. Move around it, dodge it when it whips at your face after a punch. etc. it'll add some zest to your shadowboxing.

              buy a heavy bag. that's extremely important. learn to hit the heavybag correctly. that's really important. learn to move and hit it next.

              buy the choice videos. I own the dog brothers collection, and the roy harris series. They were both highly recommended, and I like them. You might ask for some solo training suggestiosn. I know one great video is Matt Furey's combat conditioning videos. Matt is a highly decorated wrestler of several styles. His exercises show his collegiate/highschool wrestling background, as they all involve working out with your own body weight for resistance. He's huge, and he doesn't lift weights. check it out at http://www.combatthrowing.com

              the biggest advice I have for you, however, having walked the solo training path for a long time myself, is to a: don't stop training, even if you are one day reduced to shadowboxing alone.. the reason is because it's a long path of continuously developing all of your skills.. no matter the limitation, you can always train SOMETHING. Even if you're playing racquetball to train your aerobic stamina, or fighting with your dog trying to maintain distance (a favorite of mine)

              b: is take advantage of any training opportunity with a partner. teach anyone who wants to learn. andf utilize them during the teaching for your particular training needs.

              These two things allowed me to continue improving through long spells of partnerless training.

              good luck. don't give up. keep looking.

              -dwayne

              another note: look for peopel in your area with experience who don't teach. TONS of people wrestled in high school and college, and want to train still. same with boxers.. lots of guys have experience. if youc an find someone to fight, you have your teacher right there, even if the person doesn't know a thing. you might even put out an ad for a training partner. look for a guy with an even temper, and an honest interest in learning.

              [Edited by quietanswer on 01-19-2001 at 05:22 PM]

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                • #9
                by the way, I agree with Dion's post otherwise. some good points.

                good things to search for on the net are

                USA Boxing -should have a website. usa boxing clubs are all western boxing gyms. they have a listing of loads of boxing clubs..even guys training people in their basements. do a search for their site, and check for gym listings on it.

                another place, http://www.mixedmartialarts.com has a section called "Fighter's Connection". It's a searchable database of schools, upcoming fights, and people who need training partners. It's searchable by state. I found a few things in my area I've never heard of, one of which was a rickson gracie academy.

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                • #10
                  I do not make any intention to be rude and then again if I was at all worried about what I say then I would not have posted in the first place.

                  I use the emotional "styles" in order to get a point across, there is no such thing as "not a good idea" or "do not do that" or "you should follow someone" or "that can not be done" etc etc its all nonsense.

                  I am trying to point out to "sensi" if you will notice the meaning of the message that through his self-dedication he can do anything he likes and with guidance in any form not just grabbing a partner or particular school and following them... he is himself and has his dedication in him to strive to be who he is not what every one tells him..

                  Why reinforce the things like "thats not a good idea" and "thats nor right or wrong" ????

                  please do tell me why we should do this ??

                  I have never let anyone tell me that something could not be done or was not a good idea, I just used what "god" gave me and developed myself in body, mind and spirit, I also occasionally went to training schools for some fun and to see what they were doing and gain more experience but never conformed to any one...

                  Im sorry but it does frustrate one when people reinforce the fears in people that things can't be done or shouldnt be because someone else says so.. its up to the person to say what they think is right or wrong in themselves, their self-dedication and determination.

                  No one should say they cant or it is not possible or not a good idea.. instead we should say "KEEP TRYING!" or "Never lose hope that you can achieve the goal you seek" and not try to force them along the popular beliefs.

                  Look at where popular belief gets people... HA

                  *Balance must be sort and found in everything and nothing...*

                  Freedom Ultimate... !


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                  • #11
                    I do a lot of training on my own eventhough I am a student and instructor at a MA studio. Mostly because I have time to train when most people are at work. I think that you can make a lot of progress with solo training, but you need someone to offer progressive resitance (sparring). Keep looking for a school/academy/club and maybe look into attending seminars. Books and videos can be a good resource, but nothing beats a good instructor or coach.

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                    • #12
                      Like the block of granite being chipped away by the artist to find its hidden statue, so to does the man need to be chipped away to find his hidden warrior...

                      Freedom Ultimate... !


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                      • #13
                        Bottom line. Training alone is great. You can work on your form, you can come up with your own original ideas, and you can workout at your own convenience. However, working with a partner is better. The best way to get timing, distancing, and other attributes that are involved with fighting is to train with an uncooperative partner.

                        If you absolutely have to train alone, I recommend checking out this site: http://www.loop.com/~rockdown/

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                        • #14
                          Sensi, maybe you could be a little more specific with your question. What are you looking to train. Conditioning can be done by yourself and some shadowboxing, but basically technique application should be done with a training partner.

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                          • #15
                            okay, so maybe you can train alone, but i dont consider the kind of training you can do to by yourself to be training for fighting, just training your punches and kicks. even if you are hitting a bag, or its a tree, or whatever tough thing you think your doing, unless you fight with someone, you are just doing a type of tae bo.

                            i look at all these guys "muay thai" training on pads and bags, and focus mitts, that they are just doing tae bo with attitude. its not muay thai unless somebody is trying to break your thigh bone.

                            anyway, i am curious, what kind of town is this where you cant find anyone to fight with. are you saying there is no jkd or fma in your town, or there is no boxing gym karate school or people ineterested in martial arts at all? i can be in a city for two weeks, any city and i guarantee you i will find partners to work out with. fernando i know you are reading this, say something and be my witness!

                            you know its like baseball, if you throw the ball all you want and then hit one all day, or swing bats, unless you got some people playing with you, yor not playing baseball, your just throwing a ball, or whatever. whoever called my words crap, you are crap. you have to have someone to fight with if your are training for fighting. other than that, you might as well by the tae bo tape and follow along.

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