Silat

[MikeJKD]

I had a pretty decent fight at the bar and the whole thing was like a silat exhibition. As a bouncer, they frown on us hitting patrons, and so we tend to use a lot of sweeping, chokes, and locks to control people. At any rate, the fight spilled out into the sidewalk, and I ended up sweeping a guy twice, choking him out once, and using a dumog type technique to pitch him out into the street when he came back a fourth time. I was surprised that someone would keep attacking after waking up from unconciousness, but it just goes to show, expect the unexpected. The sweeps were great, and they gave me lots of time to go into the ballistic tools, had I chosen to, and the dumog was an awesome thing to have. When pitching the guy into the street, I ran him into the door of a taxicab, and that realy helped slow him down. So, while Silat definitely works better when combined with the hitting and kicking tools, it can be an excellent art all on it's own. Take Care,
Mike

[sikal]

Originally posted by MikeJKD
I had a pretty decent fight at the bar and the whole thing was like a silat exhibition. As a bouncer, they frown on us hitting patrons, and so we tend to use a lot of sweeping, chokes, and locks to control people. At any rate, the fight spilled out into the sidewalk, and I ended up sweeping a guy twice, choking him out once, and using a dumog type technique to pitch him out into the street when he came back a fourth time. I was surprised that someone would keep attacking after waking up from unconciousness, but it just goes to show, expect the unexpected. The sweeps were great, and they gave me lots of time to go into the ballistic tools, had I chosen to, and the dumog was an awesome thing to have. When pitching the guy into the street, I ran him into the door of a taxicab, and that realy helped slow him down. So, while Silat definitely works better when combined with the hitting and kicking tools, it can be an excellent art all on it's own. Take Care,
Mike

Absolutely! Although, some of the Silat systems (Serak and its "child" arts of Tongkat and Bukti Negara) are "pukulan" systems. "Pukulan" means hitting. These systems, while they have sweeps, locks, chokes, etc., they use a lot of hitting as well :-)

Mike

[MikeJKD]

sikal,
Actually, Harley Elmore, my sifu, always taught that silat was and is a very effective art made more effective the more you hit! While my exposure to pure silat has been limited somewhat, I have picked up a lot of pieces through my regular instructors like Harley, Brad Garrison, and Guro Inosanto. I agree (especially with my more recent bar experiences) that it's a terriffic system (or more aptly, collection of systems) to train.
Mike

[HungryWolf21]

What are some of the main things that separates Maphilindo Silat from other forms of Silat? Is it a more "streamlined" version of Silat? And are Rick Tucci's videos on that style worth purchase?

[sikal]

Originally posted by HungryWolf21
What are some of the main things that separates Maphilindo Silat from other forms of Silat? Is it a more "streamlined" version of Silat? And are Rick Tucci's videos on that style worth purchase?

Well, Maphilindo was developed by Guro Dan Inosanto. It is comprised of elements from Silat systems from Malaysia, Philippines, and Indonesia. I know it draws some from Mande Muda but I don't know what else it draws from.

I've only seen one of Rick Tucci's Maphilindo videos ... but it was good and worth getting.

Regards, Mike

[aseepish]

Maphilindo Silat

I've got both of Guro Tucci's tapes, the second is pretty much a continuation of the first in terms of material covered. I would say both are worth getting. Guy Chase's Mande Muda tapes are pretty interesting too, if a bit disorganized (it's understandingly difficult to show much of Mande Muda on two videotapes). There is a lot of info on these tapes.

Is Maphilindo a more "streamlined" expression of Silat? I don't know if there is such a thing.

-Tony

[jeyel]

Aseepish

DO Rick Tucci's silat tapes teach you the basics? Is the build up of the stuff taught progressive or is it just technique based?

[aseepish]

Guro Tucci's tapes

The first of the tapes starts out with some basic entries, which are done out of a 'jab-parry-jab' type drill. Here things look more like panantukan/kali as he works the entries off of guntings and elbow destructions. From there he shows some basic throws, levers, sweeps, etc.. After that there are some locks and holds. There isn't a progression as such (as you would see in Vu's PFS tapes).

Tape two (from what I remember) works techniques from leg destructions (entries off of kicks), and more locks.

So yeah, the tapes are pretty much technique based. He doesn't show many drills other than the entries.

I have to appologize because I left my tapes back in Canada, I'm trying to describe what I saw from memory.

-Tony

[Harley]

Hello Guys,
wow! what great posts on silat! i'm impressed. i'm sorry i've been absent, but now i'm back.
just had a few things i wanted to add if i may.
first, what is Maphilindo silat?
well, some of Guro Inosanto's silat instructors requested he not "mix" his system with others. Guro Inosanto also requested that one inst. in particular promote Terry Gibson to instructor. For personal reasons this inst. chose not to, so Guro decided to kill two birds with one stone. he created Maphilindo Silat. thus not mixing per say, other systems, and ranked Terry Gibson and others in his own system. as someone mentioned earlier, it is a mixture of Malaysian, Philipines, and Indonesian silat systems, from Eddie jafri, leo gaje, Pak Herman Suwanda, paul dethours, nik mustafa and john lacoste as well as others.
As for it's effectiveness, like Mikejkd said, some is deadly, some awkward. and like all jkd practioners know, it's not the system but the man, however, let me share with you a couple of stories,
during a week long instructor's only camp at the inosanto academy, world light heavy weight shootwrestling champion eric paulson and marc mcfann, no chump himself, both spent their free time trying to put Pak herman suwanda into a submission he could not escape, all week long, both of them working together only found two things he could not escape.
another is Paul Dethours, i saw two guys (huge guys) hold his arms and stand on his feet, then Terry Gibson tied Dethours into "plum" and started to try to knee him, all three ended up in a pile at his feet. so in my opinon, yes it works well. and is quite street oriented. they don't fight in indonesia for sport, it's a completely different mentality.
and lastly, Terry Gibson made an excellent tape series on Maphilindo Silat that is still available through Cathy Gibson.
harley

[unisouljah]

I realise this is an old thread, but came across it when googling Maphilindo Silat. I've seen Rick Tucci's tapes, and think the information he gives is good, although I find his presentation a bit boring.

I've also got Joseph Simonet's Silat Concepts videos, which I honestly much prefer as far as watchability goes. I guess its just different people will resonate more with specific personalities than others.

In terms of content, I like Simonet's presentation of the Jurus etc, applications of the Jurus and the concepts of Silat applied to various situations and attacks. I also like the idea of the Jurus as a "database", from which concepts and skills can be interpreted, extracted and trained. However, I don't like the way Simonet teaches sensitivity drills (seen on Advanced Silat Concepts, and aside from Silat, his DNA Series also). His sensitivity drills (as demonstrated on Advanced Silat Concepts) are kata-like, a step by step process, which to me doesn't impart sensitivity. More aliveness is needed in a sensitivity drill so that you learn to truly "feel" your opponents intentions. A "freestyle" Hubud and Chi Sao does this great. The way Tony Blauer used to teach sensitivity drills such as Hubud (as seen on his 4 Ranges video and his Panic Attack series for example), are much more alive - you are forced to respond based on feeling and intuition - not by remembering what step comes next. To me, that is sensitivity training.

As far as Maphilindo Silat goes (based only on my viewing of Tucci's tapes), I like the directness of Maphilindo (as opposed to Juru based interpretation). I know this sort of conflicts with the database/interpretation concept, but I guess which method of learning you use can be divided into short and long term goals. For self-defense purposes, directness cuts down learning time, but learning the art for art's sake, the Juru approach is great. I do lean towards the directness side of things, however and I would love to see more material on Maphilindo Silat / general Silat drilling, as opposed to a compilation of techniques. My exposure to Silat materials is limited, so it may be out there. Anybody know of any that goes more into drilling than techniques?

[aseepish]

This thread takes me back! One of these days I'm going to take my old VHS tapes in and get them transfered to DVD.

I like your point about learning for self-defense and learning the art for the art's sake.