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To all who know and understand this system, what do you feel are the strenghts and weaknesses of it in a self protection scenario?
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Biggest advantage 'in general' is that it has a simple formula for its structure and execution.For the regular person on the street it would help them against an 'untrained'opponent.Best way to get an overview of it would be to watch the 'England R.A.T. seminar tape' from his Streetfighting video tape series.Sorry if above answer doesnt go into specifics but I think its the person,not the method,that has the biggest effect to the outcome of an encounter. -
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I like the idea of using jik chung choy to transition to headbutts, knees, and elbows. I would rather enter with a leg kick than with a gunting. I don't dobut that some FMA experts can make guntings work, but I question their overall apllicablitiy by most people.Comment
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The only things resembling gunts that I have ever been able to land in sparring
are sort of gross motion swings into an arm, sort of like a hammerfist, forearm swing, or jao-sao hook into an arm that isn't retracted fast enuff. If I were as good as Vunak, then maybe I could make all of his gunts work. As it is, I would
try to set up the blast with a bil jee, a feint, or a leg kick rather than a vu-type gunt. I would never look for a limb attack, only take it if it is there.
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don't agree that the blast must always be set up with a bil jee or a gunt: some opponents might get intimidated by the bullrush and start backing up before the first punch lands. Size, power, and strength might figure into this, as trying to "rat" Mike Tyson may not be the best approach.Comment
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When watching the videos or reading what he has on the subject of his RAT concept.He does point out that you need an interception or distruction to "borrow that moment of pain" to apply "Pressure"-in the form of the straight blast.If you dont have your opponent in a state of pain,he/she will be prepared to apply their own technique.Which could be a good hook to the head or a good kick to the thigh.Comment
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The system is great. However, destructions are hard to perform and I'm not so sure they will have the stunning effect as demonstrated. I think a determined attacker will continue applying his own pressure even after you destroy his hand. I think the concept of entry, pressure, and termination is excellent though. It breeds the proper mindset of offensive, forward agression. I also like the termination techniques. I know those work. The advice on ground fighting is dead on, and I like the training drills. Overall, it scores high in my book.Comment
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RAt is good streamlined approach to teach people quick but has its limitations. Besides things like destructions are not as practical or easy to pull off as they might have you believe e.g. punching to inside of bicep, or to inside of elbow - when they are throwing punch! You miss with it - Bang you get hit. There are better ways to do the Straight Blast, than running at them, & Bruce never taught running whilst doing it - you run punches go in more oval pattern & you lose power, worse opponent suddenly moves your forward momentum leaves you very vulnerable. Some of the follow ups too after blast like arm bars, not too practical or easy to pull off.
One key thing with the Straight Blast - most can't hit very hard with it & can't do much damage to someone who can take a good shot, I've held pads & sparred with many people doing it, most can't hit that hard with it, and a tough streetfighter would take those shots & then tear your head off. A few can hit hard with it, but not too many, though a great many feel they can hit really hard with it. Also if youre not really fast with the Blast - don't use it!Comment
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Jubaji,
Yes we know you are a troll & almost 5000 posts later we still know it, no need to keep reminding us, thanks.Comment
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Read Jubaji's comments carefully - draw your own conclusions.
Click his name & read some more of his posts to see his views on many things - again draw your own conclusions. No comment necessary.Comment
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Crap this Ashtanga guys has infected every single post I have read so far! What's even worse is that I feel compelled to talk shit back to him everytime I see it
Anyway,
My point of view on the RAT program is that it could have been applied quite well against alot of the people I have been in streetfights with.Even at the limited JKD skill level I am at alot of the motions I got through seem almost like second nature after a very short time.
Now I look at the more advanced students and see they are doing much better and tend to flow with a great deal of ease compared to myself. I do however believe what I have picked up would be useful to me if I did have to fight your average bar fight right now.
There is alot of severe physical "work" thrown in between our RAT program stints. We get blasted with 35+ jumpsquats and all manner of other crap to "up our stress levels". It seriously stresses me out We also do some Hubud here and there in order to catch a breather.
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I haven't seen the RAT program, but I do have Paul Vunak's Street Fighting Series that I think is good. I myself do not like the running forward straight blast, it seems too committed and you really seem to give up your base. I could see where a skilled opponent might work that against you, particularly a good boxer. I think Mr. Vunak's advise on training it against different types of opponents is right on target... good advise for any training I think. Is what is presented in either of these programs considered JKD by everyone? I don't do JKD but I do have some tapes on it and am not really sure how to identify it by just watching a combination of techniques.Comment
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I know what you're trying to say, but something Larry Hartsel once said has stuck with me through the years. TO paraphrase, "The man that knows 100 techniques, but can only perform them half the time will still be defeated by the man that knows 5 techniques, but can pull them off ALL the time."Originally posted by Mike Brewer
I ascribe to the KISS system, which that philosophy ties in nicely with. This is also the premise of the training I did with some Army SF about 5 years ago (I can't believe its been that long already!). By the numbers, keep in simple, and make the movements count. Basically take the core elements of what Demi was saying in this thread.Comment
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Okay, I see what you mean.
When I was looking for reviews of the RAT system, I came across a rave about Vee Jitsu and David James. Has anyone ever heard of this? I did a quick Google for it, but the info wasn't very telling.
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