Kino Mutai

[thekuntawman]

i would like to say something about this kinomutai nobody has said yet.

there is no such thing of this "kinomutai" in the philippines, ask any pilipino instructor.

when paul vunak says, the art was an ancient one and it was pass down only to dan inosanto, he just insulted the whole generation of pilipino instructors with those words. vunak knows there is no such thing (other than the art they made up), and so does dan inosanto. i think it is terrible these men can be so arrogant to say what is there, and they know it is not.

when people read this in the magazines, dont they believe it? what do you say about all the pilipinos who came here like me, presas (both), the late mr sulite, the tortal family members, the canetes, taboada, marinas, pambuan, umpaad, tinga, i could go on. does that mean we dont have "authentic" philippine martial arts? because we dont have biting as an art in our system?

i consider kinomutai a part of danny inosanto's philippine martial arts. dont blame that on the rest of us.

[Paul Sharp]

Kuntawman just touched on something I didn't mention in my post about this. I have a decent size population of people from the Phillipines living in my town. A couple of years ago I would try to talk about Dumog, Panantuken or Kina Mutai with these guy's. They would look at me like I was from Mars. Never heard of it, was the most common response I received. I talked to a girl that works in records, she speaks several Phillipine dialects. She told me it could be I was talking about something from another dialect. After telling her the words she said the same thing, never heard of it.

She did not discount the chance that these terms could be regional colloquialisms and therefore someone that is not from that region would not know what I am refering to.

Personally, I don't see a need to devote a lot of time to training something we do everyday.

Peace,
Paul Sharp

[Kevin]

>>I don't see a need to devote a lot of time to training something we do everyday.<<

Personally, I train biting at least 3 times a day... seven days a week ;')

~Kev

[Stickgrappler]

LOL@Kevin.



Biting, pinching, & eye-gouging is not unique to FMA's Kina Mutai (for lack of a better name).

Phil Dunlap of Kachin Bando teaches biting and eye-gouging also. Check out his seminar vids. His site:

http://www.afs.f2s.com/

I've attended 3 of his seminars and all interesting stuff. Basically, if you are losing the fight in a life or death confrontation, biting should not be an issue if it helps you get out of a bad position in order to win the fight.

[Evilution]

I just got the issue of black belt magazine with the article on kino mutai and I found it very interesting. The article had some good pictures showing positions where you can hang on for a long time chewing you opponent to pieces. It also described biting method and talked about training the bite by wrapping a t-shirt around a steak and chewing through the steak. A good article on the dos and don'ts of biting and eye gouging. I don't think I'll spend too much time training it but it's good stuff to know.

[Kevin]

I'm not big on steak tartar...
I worry about all the little nasties that might be growing on the exterior of that hunk of meat. A t-shirt is not much of a barrior. I prefer to have my meat at least browned on the exterior to kill off some (apparently you can't kill off Mad Cow disease via heat) of the baddies. Note: hamburger should be thoroughly cooked since grinding exposes much of the meat to the air.

Maybe it just me being paranoid. Heck... I've stopped eating beef lately due to the Mad Cow scare. I hope they get a handle on it though... I do love a nice juicy steak!

~Kev

[Rommel]

Very well said, thekuntawman.

[Infighter]

Its obvious that nobody has seen the video..

Until you see the video all you can do is keep speculating on your personal opinion when you dont even know what you are talking about. Get the video, watch it, and then make an educated post.

Obviously with diseases around your first line of defense isnt going to be biting someones neck. If you dont bite someone you wont have to worry about that, if you are dead you wont either.

It is a last line of defense for self preservation when your life is on the line and you its either bite or die.

It is not just biting like a dog barking at someone, the object is to get into a position where you are able to bite your opponent without interruption. Where you can bite them constantly and they cannot escape from the position. If you have someone in cross body and suddenly their arms are locked around your back, with no distance at all and they start biting/tearing/gnawing the hell out of your nipple and you cant do anything to get away because of the lack of distance/position/insane pain you are going to start going into shock. Just practicing it scares you, to know that you are completley helpless to that kind of attack.

It pretty much takes grappling to a whole new level. I'd definately get the tape and then give an opinion.

You may not be willing to bite someone out of fear of catching a disease, but they might.

I know I am.

[haumana2000]

I was at a Vee Arnis Seminar with Professor David James, and he simply stated, if you bite and get aids, you may have 7 years to live, if you don't maybe 7 seconds? you choose!

[bite_rice]

Kino Mutai exists

UFC Philippines was launched at Casino Filipino in Paranaque City, Philippines . A representative of Kino Mutai was present during the competition.

I have to agree with the others that many of the FMAs that was being promoted there, sounded foreign to most of us here in Manila.
The reason is because most of these instructors already migrated to the US. Second, colonial mentality forced these instructors to seek teaching elsewhere. Taekwondo, Karate, Judo and BJJ topped the martial arts charts in Manila.

We cannot make any disputes that just because that art existed there and not known in the Philippines is considered to be non-authentic. The Philippines is a very small country with far away islands, which many wouldn't visit because it is cheaper to go to HongKong or Singapore than visit Palawan, Davao or Bacolod.