Outspoken Does Not = Loudmouth

[thtackett]

I have no dog the the fight, but you can tell where someone is coming from when they twist your words. I said that Tommy Carrurthers was outspoken. That does not mean he's a "loudmouth" like that guy who seems to hate Tommy said that I said. What I meant is that Tommy is not afraid to say what he believes. Both Rick Young and Tommy are friends of mine. Both are great martial artists. Just leave it at that. Don't pay any attention to any one that's afraid to use his own name on a forum.
Tim Tackett

[ASHTANGA05]

Tim Tackett,

Define exactly the word 'Loudmouth' ???? From a language or social point of view.

The terms certainly in social circles would aptly fit the description you gave , someone who speaks loudly and often annoys or offends people with what he says.

You said he was outspoken & that pisses off a lot of people = Loudmouth.

As for being either, why would people like Rick Young & others have had to speak to him face to face & ask him to explain himself over things he has said; if he was not a 'Loudmouth'?

Regarding you saying 'he is not afraid to say what he believes' - not strictly true! He is not afraid to do so on the Internet or to his students, but he is afraid to say it to peoples faces, especially those he has spoken against. He talked very badly on JKD Concepts, Dan Inosanto, etc & Rick paid him a visit & asked him to explain himself - he was afraid & claimed he had never made such comments & said he thought JKDConcepts was great , & Dan too was great. Unfortunately, Rick Young had not only heard his comments word of mouth from students, etc, he'd seen them in print by Tommy Carruthers or on his forum posted by himself. So not afraid to say what he believes is only a partial truth.

Who wants to be affiliated with or being an Instructor under such an outspoken individual? When people are having to pay him visits & telling him to shut up or explain his views (it is not just Rick Young that has done so, others have too).

[ASHTANGA05]

'I know he is very outspoken and can piss people off' is exactly what you said regarding Tommy Carruthers.

'Loudmouth' dictionary definition - 1) A person who brags or talks to loudly 2) A person who is gossipy or tactless.

Draw your own conclusions.

[ASHTANGA05]

Anyway , more to the point here would be :

Tim, do you think it is wise to be 'very outspoken & piss people off' in todays martial arts world?

Wise considering the nature of martial arts & its relationship to combat, and the fact there is strong likelihood sooner or later you will be asked to 'put up or shut up'?

Is it from a deeper perspective , philosophically & ethically a wise thing to be 'very outspoken & piss people off'? (one could just imagine Ueshiba Aikido founder being 'very outspoken & pissing people off'?)

Those are more important & pertinent questions.

[eXcessiveForce]

Bruce was considered outspoken

[eXcessiveForce]

Also, Ash, Please be respectful when speaking to Mr. Tackett. It is great that he takes his time out to participate in this community and it is appreciated. I will not hesitate to remove you from the community if I feel you are being disrespectful.

[Tim McFatridge]

Mega Kudos for ExcessiveForce...

Agree, please show respect for Mr. Tackett as he is an original Bruce Lee student and has been around the martial arts alot longer than some of us.

[ASHTANGA05]

Excessive Force,

I am being perfectly respectful to Tim Tackett, he made the comment 'I know he is very outspoken & can piss people off'.

Bruce Lee was certainly not outspoken in the way Tommy Carruthers is, Bruce did not publiclly attack specific individuals as Tommy does (Dan Inosanto, Patrick Strong, Krauses, etc), and Bruce had the courage of his convictions to prove it if people had a problem with it, Tommy does not; Tommy has said things then denied it when faced with individuals like Rick Young (unfortunately for him the proof was overwhelming he had said those things, incl. his own messages on his forum). Nor did Bruce Lee speak against anything, to establish the credibility of what he was doing, he didn't need to.

[fitnessfrenetic]

I thought Bruce lee spoke out against classical martial arts? Didnt he also speak out against the prejudicial practice by chinese teachers of not teaching non-chinese? I thoght Bruce spoke ill of many of the classical martial artists of his time. Hell, didnt he make fun of the kung fu teachers who were fat?

Hasnt ashtanga05 attacked a lot of people on this forum? I though Iread he posted criticisms of Tim Tackett, Dan Inosanto, Tommy Carruthers, Jesse Glover, Mike Lee, Emin Boztepe, and various others. Wouldnt that make him exactly like this Tommy Carruthers he is crying about?

Has Ashtanga05 ever made any of his comments or criticisms in person to any of the people he criticizes? If not, then he is as chicken as he claims Carruthers is. I suppose like one of my teachers used to say, "we hate in others that which we see in ourselves". Sounds true for Ashtanga05.

Lastly, being new to these threads, does Ashtanga always post so much and say so little? Seems like all he does is sit on this place and post. You ramble like a senile old woman. Damn, dude, get to the point.

[GonzoStyles]

I am being perfectly respectful to Tim Tackett,

No actually you are trying to use a dictionary to make Mr. Tackett agree with you , that doesnt seem respectful to me. Websters be damned I am sure that Tim knows exactly what he meant when he made that comment. So you should respect him and let him define exactly how HE used the word in context. Irregardless of your opinion on the person.

[Tant01]

'I know he is very outspoken and can piss people off' is exactly what you said regarding Tommy Carruthers.

'Loudmouth' dictionary definition - 1) A person who brags or talks to loudly 2) A person who is gossipy or tactless.

Draw your own conclusions.

Seems to me you fit that description yourself...

You have been warned by a forum moderator to tread lightly here.

Mr. Tackett does not need to answer you or "define" anything for you.

Enjoy the forum... (while you can)



Tant01 out.

[Garland]

I'm done with this Ash guy...he's just here to try and irritate people and try to instigate them and draw them into an arguement with him. He's hounding people for attention. The best thing to do is ignore him, he has nothing of value to say, all he seems to do is badmouth people, and then flip-flop on who he badmouths and then try to use them for his defense.

The guy has never even trained JKD, his statements and opinions about anything having to do with the JKD community are bourne simply out of conjecture and speculation drawn from books, movies, and websites.
He refuses to use his name, post his name or a picture of himself...and all of his claims to his training, under either Emin Boztepe, Mike Lee, and others has all been subject to some pretty serious scrutiny, even invoking an e-mail response from Mr. Boztepe's camp.

On top of that, all of these instructors (Boztepe and Lee and the other one he mentions) are fairly well known in the martial arts world, and anyone who has researched the art, or read their share of martial arts magazines, could very feasibly construct a false history under them. I say we ignore this guy until he posts a picture of himself, and a picture of himself with one of these guys. He has nothing to lose by doing so, and after all of his outlandish claims, and shittalking about almost everyone in the JKD community....I think it's warranted.

[ASHTANGA05]

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=10230415&Mytoken=E

No need to comment or respond to this person posting above, read his quotes & opinions yourself, draw your own conclusions.

[Tant01]

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...0415&Mytoken=E

No need to comment or respond to this person posting above, read his quotes & opinions yourself, draw your own conclusions.

We know who G man is.... Who the hell are YOU?

[fitnessfrenetic]

garland

bitchin myspace, bro

ashtanga, who the hell are you?

leigh