a message to the martial artists on this forum

[Garland]

i come to understand myself through my martial art, so if you want to be traditional and label everything then sure why not, call it ... gungfu, after all that would be the closest to what i am probably wasting my time trying to widening the understand here. why do you insist on arguing, griping and complaining about what i say? does it make you feel better? having 1/2 a forum of reluctant twits on your side agreeing with everything u say? does it make you feel powerful? do you say, hey look he is a noobie and comes here and says what he is saying? what an insult!. is this what you see? probably, because, you dont agree with me and since you are ridiculing what you dont understand [me] you result to insults. which is what people do, in their brain they trigger a gap of comprehension, and it cannot be applied to the information which is being told to them so their brain shuts off and their mouth starts going off. uber zen bruce lee eh? no i didnt create a religion, im simply just opening a path in the circle.

No...buddy...you criticized me for drinking...what I was doing was trying to explain to you that...

you are talking the same shit everyone else has when they post on the JKD forum. We all read the Tao of JKD, we all posted the same- "it's our art, use no way as way, all humans can do the same things as long as there are two arms and legs...yada yada yada..." We know. You are not enlightened, nobody is. You MIGHT be getting a general idea of what Sigung Lee was trying to say, but it might be better if you worked along side with somebody who trained with him, or somebody a generation away to help you on your path...that's all, man. They won't try to force a way on you (unless it's the nucleus/ "traditional" JKD group), all they'll do is try and give you a perspective to see where Bruce Lee was when he came up with this stuff, what he was working with, what he developed, and some possible directions you can take to further your studies.

But you...
you come in citing the Tao, bitching and moaning about how "we don't know the way" and saying how taoist philosophies changed your life. That's great, man...I'm happy for you...but I live in Utah, I have to deal with enough fucking misionaries in real life, without having to see the same garbage on a webforum I go to to release steam, crack jokes, shoot the shit, and talk shop about martial arts, fighting, and combatives.

We know our own ways. My way is not yours...I actually have a tool set to draw from...you just have words. Next time you get into a fight, I wonder if saying "no technique as technique" is going to help you. It's certainly not as good as having a fucking arsenal of mean things to do that just come into play automatically from a variety of sources based on your natural attributes, preferences, and nature.

[Garland]

martial arts is like a painting, we are painting a picture, not of [what was] or [what will be]; but, of [what we are becoming]. in this sense we maintain a recent state of mind, giving no thought to the past or future, often if you think of the future you are creating limits, therefore in the present we think, then in most cases well act, what we become through these entities are not what we will become but what we are developing in the course of our day by day life. when the painting is finish we do not see results, we see an image an idea, by setting it as an idea it becomes contemporary and impermanent, leaving room for change and ''fine tuning''

Well...duh!

I really don't like the pretentious analogy though...stop trying to sound like a sage...you really come off as an asshole. Step off your high horse, and let's talk about this like actual human beings, instead of trying to imitate Deepak Chopra.

[mr goodcat]

[QUOTE=Garland;241630]And I have read the Tao te Ching, and the Ching-I. I prefer Nietszche, Hegel, Jung, S. and A. Freud,Hedon, Hereclitus, and John Hollbach...among others...

as for strategy books...I prefer Machievelli and Guevara to Musashi (although I do like the concept of Mushin) and Sun Tzu.

Old school eastern thinkers... my favorite is Takuan Soho. Hands down. And Bodhidahrma/Dahruma...but I don't know anything he actually wrote aside from prayers.

I prefer modernists... Yukio Mishima was a sick, bad ass motherfucker. That was a fucking man, right mutherfuckin' there.[/QUOTE

well i am going to try to introduce myself , my name is brian and i am a free lance writer on poetry and philosophy of manykinds, im a body builder and a martial artist, and been studying religion for over 5 years.

[Garland]

People have a hard time figuring out what you say? Really?

Man...it ain't because you're deep...it's because you are dense and you are incoherent. Work on your logic. Philosophy is based in logic.

How old are you?...I'm just curious...I'm not going to judge you based on your age...

[mr goodcat]

Well...duh!

I really don't like the pretentious analogy though...stop trying to sound like a sage...you really come off as an asshole. Step off your high horse, and let's talk about this like actual human beings, instead of trying to imitate Deepak Chopra.

coming off as a sage? i dont know who deepak chopra is, i wrote over 60 poems and so i learned from all that that theres better ways to explain things, like what i said as MA is like a painting, i tend to make analygies that i see fit to have proper meaning to. i see things in a ..different light than you, not bad, its normal so this is now i have come to explain things

[mr goodcat]

People have a hard time figuring out what you say? Really?

Man...it ain't because you're deep...it's because you are dense and you are incoherent. Work on your logic. Philosophy is based in logic.

How old are you?...I'm just curious...I'm not going to judge you based on your age...

18. western philosophy is based on logic, eastern isnt, i was a zen buddhist for longer than i could remember so my ''dence'' fashion of explaining things stuck with me

[Garland]

coming off as a sage? i dont know who deepak chopra is, i wrote over 60 poems and so i learned from all that that theres better ways to explain things, like what i said as MA is like a painting, i tend to make analygies that i see fit to have proper meaning to. i see things in a ..different light than you, not bad, its normal so this is now i have come to explain things

Is english your first language?

What type of poems? Haiku, Limrick, free form.....?
do you understand the terms like; cacophony, implicit meaning, anapestic foot, meter???


Who are you're favorite poets and why?

[mr goodcat]

Is english your first language?

What type of poems? Haiku, Limrick, free form.....?
do you understand the terms like; cacophony, implicit meaning, anapestic foot, meter???


Who are you're favorite poets and why?

yes english is my first language, hmm shakespeare has always been a favorate of mine, he is considered the father of sonnets, freeform and sonnet, i am not familiar with those terms, but meter i know.

i have developed this unique set of fist and finger movements known to me as ''dragon art'' i was born in the year of the dragon after all

[Garland]

18. western philosophy is based on logic, eastern isnt, i was a zen buddhist for longer than i could remember so my ''dence'' fashion of explaining things stuck with me

Cool, I'm 20....take a Philosophy course when you get to college...and a good English course too, your diction, sentence fluency, and...well..basicly, all skills related to getting your thoughts into written format seem to be lacking.

Zen buddhism? Which sect? Zaizen?
And yes...it is based on some tenents of logic. Especially zen.
Unless the particular group you belong to is of the idea that an unanswerable question will help pull distraction from the rest of the mind to help acheive a state of nil (0) perception, or mushin.

(interesting side note...some eastern philosophies, namely those of from India (Hinduism and Buddhism) share similarities between depth psychology, the concepts of Karl Jung, primarily the collective unconsciousness, and to some degree...syncronisity.)

[Garland]

yes english is my first language, hmm shakespeare has always been a favorate of mine, he is considered the father of sonnets, freeform and sonnet, i am not familiar with those terms, but meter i know.

i have developed this unique set of fist and finger movements known to me as ''dragon art'' i was born in the year of the dragon after all

1) Shakespeare didn't write anything free-form, everything was set up in iambic pentameter...even his plays. That's what gives them their almost lyrical quality...personally...I think he's been overdone, and mildly overrated. There is too much emphasis on him, and not enough on contemporary writers, or classics from other cultures...look up Matsuo Basho, you'd like him alot. Walt Whitman, too. Read them carefully, and savor each fucking line...picture that shit, man. Try to realize how much beauty lies in the transcience of the thing...that's life hommie...that's ALL you need to know.

2) that is the most retarded thing I've ever heard. sorry. I really do mean that in the most respectful and caring possible way. Have fun breaking your fingers, dragon man. As I'm having this little chat with you, I'm beginning to feel more and more sorry for you. I think you'll grow out of this shit...I have hope for you...maybe it's because I think I might have been a bit like you when I started all of this stuff out...(never anything like a dragon fist and finger set...you poor, poor, poor misguided thing.)

[mr goodcat]

Cool, I'm 20....take a Philosophy course when you get to college...and a good English course too, your diction, sentence fluency, and...well..basicly, all skills related to getting your thoughts into written format seem to be lacking.

Zen buddhism? Which sect? Zaizen?
And yes...it is based on some tenents of logic. Especially zen.
Unless the particular group you belong to is of the idea that an unanswerable question will help pull distraction from the rest of the mind to help acheive a state of nil (0) perception, or mushin.

(interesting side note...some eastern philosophies, namely those of from India (Hinduism and Buddhism) share similarities between depth psychology, the concepts of Karl Jung, primarily the collective unconsciousness, and to some degree...syncronisity.)

i dont practice anymore due to belief differences, they believe in no killing what so ever under any circumstances, not even a bug, that to me in unreasonable. at the time i was trying to practice just hat i had a huge ant invasion in my house, my parents told me to kill the ants but i refused and got introuble so, it didnt work out much, besides i believe in necessary violence. always have, killing someone before they kill me is... acceptable.

[Garland]

i dont practice anymore due to belief differences, they believe in no killing what so ever under any circumstances, not even a bug, that to me in unreasonable. at the time i was trying to practice just hat i had a huge ant invasion in my house, my parents told me to kill the ants but i refused and got introuble so, it didnt work out much, besides i believe in necessary violence. always have, killing someone before they kill me is... acceptable.

This is where JKD concepts come in, man. "Absorb what is useful, discard what is useless." Spirituality, Ethics, and Morality are highly personal, subjective, and develop over the course of one's life, man...just pick shit up as you go, and leave the shit you decide is worthless along the road...you can always pick it back up later if you change your mind.

[mr goodcat]

This is where JKD concepts come in, man. "Absorb what is useful, discard what is useless." Spirituality, Ethics, and Morality are highly personal, subjective, and develop over the course of one's life, man...just pick shit up as you go, and leave the shit you decide is worthless along the road...you can always pick it back up later if you change your mind.

yes but im not so ''enlightened'' with religion as i am with martial arts lol. i mean i felt obliged to follow every rule in religion perfectly otherwise id have shamed myself and couldnt comfortably call myself a devout follower of that religion or a follower at all. martial arts to me is different because i believe strongly in self expression, in religion, well u just cant do that really. that is unless you create your own, and who would do that? '' all hail mighty toaster god, your chrome righteousness burns the bread slices of hell to a crisp and good for eatin' yum yum'' anyway i have college tomorrow so this is my last post for today of wednesday 10/12. have yourself a good night

[Garland]

yes but im not so ''enlightened'' with religion as i am with martial arts lol. i mean i felt obliged to follow every rule in religion perfectly otherwise id have shamed myself and couldnt comfortably call myself a devout follower of that religion or a follower at all. martial arts to me is different because i believe strongly in self expression, in religion, well u just cant do that really. that is unless you create your own, and who would do that? '' all hail mighty toaster god, your chrome righteousness burns the bread slices of hell to a crisp and good for eatin' yum yum'' anyway i have college tomorrow so this is my last post for today of wednesday 10/12. have yourself a good night

Ha ha ha ha ha...I don't have class again till Monday...and I just barely got my degree audit and formal major delcoration in...whoot. next year, man, BS in clinical psych. possible minors in sociology and anthropology, here I come!

Yeah, dude...religion is religion, spirituality is subjective.

[mr goodcat]

Ha ha ha ha ha...I don't have class again till Monday...and I just barely got my degree audit and formal major delcoration in...whoot. next year, man, BS in clinical psych. possible minors in sociology and anthropology, here I come!

Yeah, dude...religion is religion, spirituality is subjective.

ah lol i never thought Ma would be a career for me, bruce lees real career was acting, i always had a fondness for guns and becoming an expert marksman sounds more appealing by the day, so does physics, but my math is horrible but physics just sounds so darn interesting, im discouraged and inspired at the same time, lol k now i have to leave, habe health class tomorrow. if you have aim u can reach me here sometimes ( i forget to check forum messages a lot so) christ16x