Gross Motor Skills

[Chad W. Getz]

However one thing I really like about adrenaline rushes is that fine motor nerve control goes out the window and all you are really left with are gross motions. Ya know, them gross motions are REAL powerful and real effective if you train to use them instead of trying to fight against them.

Someone wrote this on one of the digest that I'm on. I really liked the way that he wrote it, so play with it guys.

[Danny T]

re: Gross Motor Skills

I agree adrenaline will affect your motor skills. This is one of the major reasons we must make our sparring as realistic as possible. To learn to control the effects of the chemical changes within. As we learn about ourselves and abilities in combat situations the mind understands what is happening and how to control the situation. The more you have been there the more control you will have. The only way to know is to experience it.

Most of the training I have done trains the lower levels at a much higher level of fine motor skill. This teaches all the different skills and attributes needed with as many different variables in as many situations as possible. You just never know what will happen until it happens.

As the practitioners level of understanding and ability goes up the techniques used actually become more direct and easier needing less thought or movement. At the highest levels they are the most economical and direct. No fancy moves or fancy techniques no fine skills. Just take him OUT NOW.

So many of us trap ourselves in thinking the higher levels are more rather than less.

Danny T

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[Twisted up]

adrenaline and motor skills

Agreed!


Adrenaline will definitely affect the fine motor skills.

Training should be HARD in the gym (after a base of skills has been developed of course) and should in some way, create that adrenal dump condition.

Going hard knowing that my opponent can knock the daylights out of me tends to go a long way toward this end.

When everything is allowed (including takedowns/training ALL ranges), such as vale tudo rules, this can help mimick those reactions.

Of course, nothing can duplicate a street-fight scenario LIKE a street-fight, but I believe we can get pretty damn close.

All we can do is train--and TRAIN HARDER than the rest.

Good training to you all!
John

[Nthman]

As a musician I find it interesting that there are so many similatities between the martial arts and the performing arts. For one, when performing most if not all people get some adrenaline going and as we know this effects fine motor control...and without fine motor control one is not going to play in tune and be able to play things with ease and fluidity so a large part of performing is learning to respond to that "nervous" energy and channel it. A lot of people say that one should have NO tension whatsoever when playing an instrument or performing martial arts but to me I really think its more a matter of "distributed tension."

[Chad W. Getz]

I find that when gross moter skills are trained correctly, actually trained vs. techniques "taught", the individuals are able to be more comfortable in the midst of the fight and then can start thinking about adding already existing "fine" motor skills.

[aseepish]

Check out Tony Blauer's Panic Attack videos. They are a fine example of gross motor movement in an adrenaline-charged situation, and have some good ideas of how to get into this state. It's been a while since I've seen them, but the example that sticks out in my head is when he attacks one of his students in a hotel room, trying to smother him with a pillow. Surprise!

-Tony

[Monkey]

"When real feeling occurs, such as anger or fear, can the stylist express himself with the classical method, or is he merely listening to his own screams and yells? Is he a living, expressive human being or merely a patternized mechanical robot? Is he an entity, capable of flowing with external circumstances, or is he resisting with his set of chosen patterns?"
- my favourite Bruce Lee quote

Well yeah, I think that says it nicely, there is no point trying to control or stop emotion or adrenaline, because it is natural and it will come to us in a fight whether we want it or not, because we are human beings. So, just flow with the feeling and express it rather than resist it.

[thekuntawman]

a few years ago i use to work security in night clubs, and you can always see the guys who are new to the clubs business by how they talk to the people and how they throw people out. mostly because he's nervous. but the skill in "bouncing" is when you loose that nervous feeling. your words come out smooth and confident, your neck does not shake, and your hands are steady. the tricks (techniques) you use come out smooth and work every time even if its a fight with five or six guys.

fighting is the same. we train and fight so there is no effect from the adrenaline (did i spell that right?). a man who is affected by nervouseness when he fights is considered inexperienced. as fighters we can overcome that feeling and what it does to us, it does go away, but it wont go away by hitting bags. you need more fighting practice until you handle everything like a game of cards.

so i disagree with that guys statment about fighting motor skills. your motor skills become more controlled the more you fight. those skills i think he is talking about that go away in a fight isnt fighting skills, its probably that "drills skill" that got nothing to do with fighting anyway. but your ability to move side to side and front and back, to punch and grab and twist the opponent, those are fighting skills that we should train, and they should not go away when its time to use them, unless you dont use them enough.

i think its how you train and what you do in your sessions. if you spend time doing sinawali, no wonder you get a wake up in a fight. train all the hits and evading, you should not see a difference.