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[Tom Yum]

Dearest Non Certified Gay Fella,

You crack me up.

I answer to no man especially one that has his head so far up Tacketts ass he wipes his mouth with toilet paper and his ass with a napkin. Okay, Thanks Tackett for handing out towels during your Air Force special services time in R.O.C., so you might as well thanks me for my 4 years of Junior ROTC training. What make you so f***ing special?

"Some of us use reading this forum as a way of stress release and entertainment and some of us dont have all the time in the world to do so."

Who asked you to get involved and get your sugar up? Maybe you should read a book or here's an idea "TRAIN". Does mongo like books?

Thanks for the memories..


Rudy

Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome Uke back to the forum.

Looks like he's come back to try to spark a fued between JKD schools. So much drama, so little time.

[Hardball]

Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome Uke back to the forum.

Looks like he's come back to try to spark a fued between JKD schools. So much drama, so little time.

I don't think so. I did my detective work. LOL. Rudy Franco Joined defend in Jan 2006. The first post in this thread has a link to his website. His website has a pic of Rudy Franco. By-the-way where is Uke, I thought you said he was Dickhardman?

[Rudy Franco]

what I do know is that you came in here bashing people, airing out your dirty laundry and using inclusive terms in your personal attacks that umbrella the whole Inosanto group as well. That's shitty.

And yes...you DO owe us an explaination...you're the outsider who came in on a high fucking horse...if you feel you don't owe us one, then butt the **** out. I don't particularilly give a rat's ass what your story is...all that matters to me is that you've shown yourself to be a disruptive douche bag with some sort of alterior motive to his posts.

Do you even realize you're being an asshole?
Do you even know the mixed group you're addressing?

Garland,

It's gonna be alright, I swear it is. I didn't say anything about Dan Inosanto or the IMB, you are making that connection. You all have my number give me a call, if it is bothering you so much. For somebody who doesn't give a rat's ass, you are sure making a big deal about this. Also, if you think I am on a high horse, state your case and knock me off of it. But, that's right you don't know shit about it, and what you do know I told you. Do you even realize you sound like a punk. Please introduce the mixed group, I am speaking about, if you can. Douche bags are good they keep pussies like you clean.

Rudy

[Tom Yum]

I don't think so. I did my detective work. LOL. Rudy Franco Joined defend in Jan 2006. The first post in this thread has a link to his website. His website has a pic of Rudy Franco. By-the-way where is Uke, I thought you said he was Dickhardman?

...multiple profiles?

[Rudy Franco]

I visited Rudy's website and got more insight but it doesn't make sense to take on the whole JKD establishment especially when most of his website talks about Japanese Jujutsu.

What particular establishment are you speaking of:

The JKD WNG
OBLS JKD
Original JKD
JKD Concepts
Hardcore JKD
Poteet JKD
Wong JKD
Old School JKD
New School JKD
Future School JKD

Their are so many factions and fractions of factions that I need clarity as well. And, before everybody gets more brain damage, I am talking about the WNG.

[Tom Yum]

What's your take on Telecom, Rudy? How does the GWOT affect that industry? What kind of role will that industry play in the GWOT as you see it?

We could use good telecom expertise in these parts, especially in the Military and Tactical section...where you could help millions of American Soldiers, Sailors, Marines & Airmen.

or

start internet trash talk to amuse yourself, Jerky Boyz style, while improving your own standing by sharply slandering others.

[Rudy Franco]

The questions that come to mind from your post are:

1. Are you saying Tim Tackett and his group are certifying people in JKD even if they have no background or "foundation?"
2. Are you saying there is no focus on functionality?
3. Are you saying that Tim Tackett cares more about whether or not you've written articles or made videos than he does about how skilled you are?
4. And finally, why do you feel such a need to crap on Tim Tackett?

Just some basics. There's more, but we can start simply.

By the way, I called and left a message. I really would like to know the backstory. If you try to call back and I'm not around (I'm about to step out for a bit), please either leave a message or PM me. Since you don't want to talk about this issue here on the boards, you can also e-mail me at home: Odysseyag@comcast.net.

I'll even keep the content private if you would like.

[*]Are you saying Tim Tackett is certifying people in JKD even if they have no background or "foundation?"

**YES**
[*]Are you saying there is no focus on functionality or applications of fuctionality?

**YES**
[*]Are you saying that Tim Tackett cares more about whether or not you've written articles or made videos than he does about how skilled you are?

**NO** All he cares about is that he can make videos and magazine articles and pretend that he is highly skilled individual, who is nothing more than a retired Drama Teacher.

[*]And finally, why do you feel such a need to crap on Tim Tackett?

Because he is a backstabbing two faced shit talking bigot who is only loyal to money and fame. He wouldn't know true friendship or brotherhood, he was always only out for himself, Tackett is a hell of an actor. One too many wetback/nigg*** jokes, one too many promises, one too many secrets, that we always found out about. Always peddling somebody else material around the world and claim it for himself. Always trying to fool the next group of suckers. We will no longer be silent and allow this lying charlatan to keep his secrets safe. Claiming to be non profit, but collecting money, the truth is we (The Instructors who have taught at the garage and at all the camps) we were the only one's who were non-profit.
Signed

CPSD Coach Lloyd Kennedy
CPSD Instructor Rudy Franco
Combat Jujutsu and Kali

PS If that is the kind of individual you want to defend or respect be our guest. But for the record, we are not perfect and were fooled as well and taken advantage of through out the years, but no more and if we can save some of you from wasting your time and money, that is our goal. We don't do JKD and have never claimed to teach it, but we do know people who do, go learn from them.

[Tom Yum]

Let's bring Tim Tackett here to defend himself, since someone is going so far as to slander his professional name behind his back.

[Rudy Franco]

Rudy you said you wanted someone to call you out so I will.

This forum has no affiliation with the WNG, as such there was no reason to come here to sling mud about a another group. Real men handle their disagreements with each other and don't need to make public statements about others to feel good about themselves.

You already posted your message directly to the WNG on their site, so there was no need to come here and post it. A simple "We are no longer associated with the WNG" would have been sufficient if you felt the need to notify the JKD community on this forum.

Coming here and posting derogatory comments about people about issues that didn't even occur here just lacks some class.

So how about standing up, apologize to everyone here from bring in crap that doesn't concern the posters here, and if you have a problem with Mr. tackett or any of the other JKD people, why don't you call them up or go visit them and discuss it between yourselves.

The problem with the JKD community and the MA community in general is the "I won't say anything, if you won't" mentality. So for that I make no apology, because that the kind of BS that has got this thing all fucked up in the first place. If judging me by your standard make you feel like a man, by all means feel good about yourself. Let's hear it for "excessive force", he has the balls to call me out on the web. I gave you my phone number dummy so you can call me or maybe you can get somebody to dial it for you.

[Tom Yum]

[*]Are you saying Tim Tackett is certifying people in JKD even if they have no background or "foundation?"
[*]And finally, why do you feel such a need to crap on Tim Tackett?

Because he is a backstabbing two faced shit talking bigot who is only loyal to money and fame. He wouldn't know true friendship or brotherhood, he was always only out for himself, Tackett is a hell of an actor. One too many wetback/nigg*** jokes, one too many promises, one too many secrets, that we always found out about. Always peddling somebody else material around the world and claim it for himself. Always trying to fool the next group of suckers. We will no longer be silent and allow this lying charlatan to keep his secrets safe. Claiming to be non profit, but collecting money, the truth is we (The Instructors who have taught at the garage and at all the camps) we were the only one's who were non-profit.
Signed

CPSD Coach Lloyd Kennedy
CPSD Instructor Rudy Franco
Combat Jujutsu and Kali

Here's what you've said about the man in your own words, Mr. "Franco".

[Hardball]

I found this using "tim tackett martial arts" in google.

The Wednesday Night Group is unusual for a martial art group as it’s a non-profit group which means that we do not charge for lessons. We are called the Wednesday Night Group because we meet every Wednesday night in my garage in Redlands, California. The purpose of this group is to preserve and promote Bruce Lee’s art of Jeet Kune Do which some call original Jeet Kune Do, but we call Old School JKD. We teach JKD not to confine us but to liberate us, to share with others what we have learned, and to discover our personal expression of Bruce’s art. We are fortunate to have two original Bruce Lee students to share their knowledge of Bruce’s art with us. They are Bob Bremer and Jim Sewell. Since I started the group and it meets in my garage, I should give some information about myself so you know who I am.

While in the U.S.A.F., my family and I were stationed in Taiwan for almost three years. While I was there I studied Kuo Shu [Kung-Fu]. My wife was working as a teacher in the Taipei American School during the day and I was working in the evening at the Shu Lin Kuo Air Force Station. Since I had my days free I was looking for something to occupy my time. One of my friends recommended that I take up martial arts. I ended up learning six hours a day for six days a week. While in Taiwan I learned two types of Hsing-i, Tai Chi, Northern and Southern Shaolin, White Crane, and Monkey boxing. After my discharge from the air force, I continued work on my college degree. Since I had a wife and two children to support, I opened up a full time Kung Fu school in Redlands, California while starting as a junior at the University of California, Riverside campus in 1966.

In 1967 I saw Bruce Lee demonstrate JKD at Ed Parker’s tournament in Long Beach, Ca and wanted to start studying with him right on the spot, but I soon realized that I would not have enough time until after I finished college. In 1968, I started a Master of Fine Arts program at UCR and no longer had time to teach martial arts full time. So I closed sown my school and rented a hall in Redlands two nights a week where I taught what I called Chinese karate as hardly anyone had heard of kung fu let alone Kuo Shu.

In 1970 I received my M.F.A. and started teaching drama in high school. Soon after this my first student, Bob Chapman, and I, on the recommendation of Dan Lee, sought out Dan Inosanto. Dan who had opened up a backyard Jeet Kune Do school after Bruce Lee had closed his L.A. Chinatown school shortly before moving to Hong Kong to star in The Big Boss. We both felt privileged to be accepted in Dan Inosanto’s backyard class. The class consisted of about 10 students. I got to meet for the first time such JKD luminaries as; Bob Bremer, Dan Lee, Richard Bustillo, Jerry Poteet, and Pete Jacobs. Later Chris Kent, Ted Lucay Lucay, and Jeff Imada joined a second class.

In 1973, Dan Inosanto honored me with the rank of Senior First and I was given permission to have a small Jeet Kune Do group. In Dan’s backyard school it was always stressed that JKD was something special. There were certain techniques that Bruce Lee did not want given out outside of what we all felt were a small and special group. Dan told us that Bruce said, “If knowledge is power then why pass it out indiscriminately.”

After Bruce’s untimely passing, Dan opened up, with Richard Bustillo, the Filipino Kali Academy to promote Filipino martial arts as well as JKD. Since Dan made a promise to Bruce not to teach JKD publicly, he created a curriculum with four phases of Jun Fan Gung Fu which is what Bruce called his art before he named it Jeet Kune Do. His backyard Jeet Kune Do became a closed private class at the Kali Academy.

At the same time I was teaching the principles of JKD and using them as tools to examine the martial arts I had learned up until that time. I found that much of what I had been teaching was not very efficient. For my own personal experience I kept some hsing-I and all of my tai chi for myself, but I had no desire to teach anything but Jeet Kune Do. Since I didn’t want to teach JKD openly I closed the school and moved the senior group to my garage where we’ve been ever since.

When the summer martial arts camps started Dan asked me to teach there. He told Larry Hartsell and me that since he promised Bruce to not teach JKD openly, that we should teach JKD while he would teach Kali. The three of us taught together every summer until the Great Smokey Mountain Martial Arts Camp closed. Besides teaching in my garage one night a week the only other JKD teaching I did was the occasional seminar I would do for camp students who had a school of their own. Presently I only do a couple of seminars a year. I retired six years ago after 30 years of teaching high school.

The most important addition to the group was Bob Bremer. After he retired as a crane operator, Bob started showing up on Wednesday nights. From Bob we’ve learned a great deal. We’ve learned many of those small details that make JKD work in the real world. We began to really analyze everything we had learned. He emphasized that JKD was about efficiency in unarmed combat and not the accumulation of techniques. He showed us the importance of really spending time on the basics so that we would not need to keep adding and adding techniques.

A little over twelve years ago an original Chinatown student started showing up. Jim Sewell studied at Bruce Lee’s Chinatown school for a little over twelve months and has a first rank certificate. We have been fortunate that other people want to learn what we teach and be able to share it with others, and they now have groups in various parts of America as well as Europe. A list of those instructors can be found on our website which is http://www.jkdwednite.com. You can either contact them directly or email me at thtackett@msn.com.

I’m often asked why we have just a small group. For us at least, we feel that the best way to learn Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do is on a one to one basis. Up to this time the JKD Wed. Night Group has not felt the need to expand. But since we see that there is a lot of confusion about just what Jeet Kune Do is, we feel it is now our duty to come out of the garage and share our knowledge of Bruce’s art so that his original teaching will survive to inspire future generations, which brings us to our philosophy of teaching JFJKD.

The danger of quoting Bruce Lee to try to back up your particular point of view is that some of his writings seem to contradict one another. For example, he writes, “Unlike the traditional approach there is never a series of rules, a classification.” At the same time in his own personal notes he lists techniques and principles. It must be remembered that his writings come from different periods of his development and we need to realize how martial arts in the 1960’s were bound by tradition. Remember that the title of his seminal essay was Liberate Yourself From Classical Karate. With this in mind the Wed. Night Group attempts to use what Bruce taught during the third and final phase of his evolution as our guide to our personal liberation. Once you’ve really learned the core you then have a method or way to look at other arts and take what you need or can efficiently use for your personal JKD. Which leads us to the question just what learn means?

We’ve all read or heard the quote that in JKD we should know the principle, follow the principle, and finally to dissolve the principle. Does know the principle mean that you can spend a few hours in a seminar working on something as complex as the hammer principle so that you at least know it when you see it. Later you see somebody do it and you say to yourself, “Oh that’s the hammer principle I know that.” We don’t feel that anyone really knows the technique. We’ve spent part of every Wed. night class for six years working on the hammer principle, but none of us feels that we really know it. To know it means to us that we can stand two feet away from a person, tell him you’re going to hit him in the forehead, let him try and block your attack, and touch his forehead every time. Bruce Lee could do this. We can’t yet. He knew the technique, but we are not yet there, although we feel we’re on the path. So we’re a long way from dissolving the technique, which means you no longer hit; it hits.

Bruce Lee has been quoted as saying that in JKD you must constantly study all other martial arts. The main question is just what did he mean by study? The Encarta World English Dictionary defines study as, “to learn about a particular subject by reading and researching”. Bruce Lee had an immense library full of martial arts books. He had most of the books ever written on western fencing. As far as I know he never took western fencing lessons. He never became a western fencing teacher. His genius was that he could draw out the essence of western fencing and then adapt its theories and principles to his way of combat. From fencing Bruce adopted and adapted the 5 ways of attack and broken rhythm among other things.

The JKD Wednesday Night Group believes that you should become familiar with as many martial arts as possible. At the very least you should understand and have an answer for their delivery systems. We agree with Krisnamurti who said, “Self knowledge is a continuous process”. That’s why our group has an open door policy. Any martial artist from any style or system is more than welcome to visit us and share his or her knowledge. The only thing we know for sure is that we don’t know everything.

What we want our student to do is to be able to do the core curriculum of Jeet Kune Do, make it his or her own, then adapt, evolve, and add what is their own. That will be their JKD. But we also feel that they shouldn’t add what goes against the basic principles of JKD and call it Jeet Kune Do. Remember that any architectural principle is based on a strong foundation. Let the core curriculum be your guide to the building of your foundation and let the house you build on top of it be your own.

For the first time in our 30 year history the Wed. Night Group is coming out of the garage so to speak and is looking for people who might share our basic philosophy and really want to delve into the basics of JKD. With this in mind, some of our instructors are now willing to teach privately and do small workshops or seminars to further promote and preserve Bruce Lee’s art of Jeet Kune Do. If interested, you can contact any of our group through either out website or my email or write me directly.

Tim Tackett
446 East Sunset Drive North
Redlands, California 92373
USA
thtackett@msn.com

http://www.jkdwednite.com

[Hardball]

LOL, I found Rudy Franco's pic on Tim Tackett website. They are in a group photo. Yep, this is all personal.

[Tom Yum]

Whose to say we are even talking to the real Rudy Franco and not someone posing as him trying to stir some crap?

[Rudy Franco]

Tom, I wrote to Tim and asked for his take. He's not yet answered, so I'm assuming he's either busy or taking the high road on this one.

Rudy, I guess I have to ask one more question.

You have obviously cleared up the issue of whether or not this was a personal thing. It clearly is. That you had to go get your instructor to speak for you is a little...well, sad, really. I'm glad you admire and respect your instructor, but honestly, you were the one who posted, and your opinion was all we really needed. If you need to run your opinions through the filter of an instructor, it says something about how truly "independent" you guys are. Frankly, I have never trained with Tim Tackett or anyone from the group you so clearly loathe, and I have no dog in this fight, so to speak. I very simply do not care who does what, or how well any of you can fight or teach. Not my concern. My concern here is the way you've chosen to express things. You're picking fights and talking about all kinds of issues, but you can't even speak your own mind without running to your instructor to get him to sign off on your posts? What does that tell us about you? What does it say about the way you've been indoctrinated...er, trained? I got news for you, man. If you really took three days to come up with an answer as juvenile as what you've just posted, and if that took consultation with your instructor, I'm very plainly unimpressed, and I think you should seriously, seriously re-evaluate that comment you made about not being inferior to anyone else. However, that's all beside the point. it is simply the foundation of my real question.

Why is it, oh great savior of all who've been suckered, that you've chosen to focus solely on Tim Tackett and not the literal millions of wannabes who claim to teach something without the certification or knowhow to do it? If your aim is truly as selfless as you'd like the people here to believe, why take aim at just one guy? Why not call out the asshole at the local YMCA who's taking money from kids in after school programs and teaching stuff that doesn't work?

And since your instructor is editing and approving your running commentary here, I have a quick question for him as well. Is the real problem with the MA community the "I won't say anything if you won't" mentality? or is it the "I'm going to run my mouth anywhere and everywhere I can instead of coming to you like a man" mentality?

Mike,

Of course I spoke to my friend and got his input. Not as an instructor but as a witness, not to mention the other that chose to remain silent. Twist it and turn it all they ways you can, but it still will be the truth. The crusade has to start somewhere doesn't it. You haven't a clue of what you are speaking of and *fcuk* a certificate. Qualified not certified instructors. Why Tim because we know Tim Tackett and he knows us too. I am speaking on behalf of Lloyd Kennedy and myself on that you can be assured, it's funny like that sometimes. Give him a call you have his number, he will speak on his own accord and you have my number and I will speak on my own.

Is the real problem with the MA community the "I won't say anything if you won't" mentality? or is it the "I'm going to run my mouth anywhere and everywhere I can instead of coming to you like a man" mentality?

You tell me Super moderator.

If you can't handle the issue and you think I am juvenile,infantile or Fetus Style, I could give a shit.

If any of you are going to the BL Foundation meeting/seminar that's coming up, talk to Tackett then he will be there teaching, then drive 60 mile east and come talk to Lloyd and I. That's fair isn't it? Face to face and all that man stuff you all keep harping about.

[Tom Yum]

Mike,

Of course I spoke to my friend and got his input. Not as an instructor but as a witness, not to mention the other that chose to remain silent. Twist it and turn it all they ways you can, but it still will be the truth. The crusade has to start somewhere doesn't it. You haven't a clue of what you are speaking of and *fcuk* a certificate. Qualified not certified instructors. Why Tim because we know Tim Tackett and he knows us too. I am speaking on behalf of Lloyd Kennedy and myself on that you can be assured, it's funny like that sometimes. Give him a call you have his number, he will speak on his own accord and you have my number and I will speak on my own.

Is the real problem with the MA community the "I won't say anything if you won't" mentality? or is it the "I'm going to run my mouth anywhere and everywhere I can instead of coming to you like a man" mentality?

You tell me Super moderator.

If you can't handle the issue and you think I am juvenile,infantile or Fetus Style, I could give a shit.

If any of you are going to the BL Foundation that's coming up, talk to Tackett then he will be there teaching, Then drive 60 mile east and come talk to Lloyd and I.

It is Uke and someone else. Too much in common with Uke - choice of words, writing style etc.

Mr. K, why do you persist in starting so much shit with people?