which is better jkd conepts or the original

[HERQ454]

Better?

kseer,dont worry about which ones better.You the person is the one who is important.Learn the art but develop your critical mind to way up what 'you' think what will work.Test yourself and your ideas to make the 'art' work for YOU.
As to trapping,if your talking about Wing Chun/Jun Fan style,I've had one or two moments where simple trap worked,but I dont believe in compound trapping because you need a compliant person.Doesnt happen in a confrontation.Trapping as a range is,to me,clinch range,standing grappling,whatever.Holding and striking intermixed.
In a fight your hitiing hitting hitting and maybe he blocks at one moment,get the block out of the way and keep hitting.Thats what the traps for.

[Thai Bri]

All this "they trap in boxing" stuff is nonsense. Just like the "they trap in grappling" that is seen in otyher threads.

WC and JKD engage in all kinds of what I call "fancy" trapping. Us himans only have 2 arms, and can only move them incertain ways. Boxers and/grapplers using their own arms that occasionally clang together does NOT mean they are trapping.

[Ghost]

there are some arm holds and manipulations in boxing, such as pulling the arm out to make a shovel hook to the body, i dont really think you could call this trapping but i think this is what they refer to when people say that boxing contains trapping as well..

[Guest]

I tried t'rapping in Yorkshire once, they didn't dig my rhymes.


(one for the UK guys only there perhaps)

[Ghost]

I tried t'rapping in Yorkshire once, they didn't dig my rhymes.


(one for the UK guys only there perhaps)

urggggggggggggggggg noooooooooooo that was awfulllll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Guest]

I won't give up the day job

[g-bells]

All this "they trap in boxing" stuff is nonsense. Just like the "they trap in grappling" that is seen in otyher threads.

WC and JKD engage in all kinds of what I call "fancy" trapping. Us himans only have 2 arms, and can only move them incertain ways. Boxers and/grapplers using their own arms that occasionally clang together does NOT mean they are trapping.

obviously you have no idea, or have not done trapping with the right people!!!!!!!!!!!!!

read jack dempsey's book and see if he(a boxer) utilized trapping?

[Thai Bri]

You're rather missing my point.

[g-bells]

yes, thank you mr. brewer

but thai bri to each his own

[Thai Bri]

I'm pretty sure that's the point he's addressing by trying to show you value in the other side of the argument.

So, he's ignoring my point, rather than merely missing it?

[Tant01]

Fighting Zombies...

.02 cents from the brain dead for ya?

In my experience it seems that nearly half the time there is some attempt at an attachment. It might be a push or a shove or it might be some straight arm charge to get a grip. It is not uncommon to hold with one hand and pound with the other (or stab)

These slower types of attacks where the attacker (opponent) "gives" you his apendages sets up all manner of counter options that include various traps.

It's not that complicated to redirect force or move your body into a position of advantage.

Drilling just gives you a "feel" for it.

So, he's ignoring my point, rather than merely missing it?

[g-bells]

So, he's ignoring my point, rather than merely missing it?

no, i see you don't utilize it but that does'nt mean it does'nt work, which is the impression i get from your posts

get into a close quarter scuffle with someone who can trap and you'll see how ineffective it is

[Thai Bri]

No. I am right, and you are wrong.

There. Thats decided.

[g-bells]

No, Bri. He's arguing the point. Not missing, not ignoring; rather, offering up a different point to refute yours.

Or did you miss his point?

mr brewer,
his cup must be full, so no sense in arguing with a master

[Tant01]

Conceptually...

No. I am right, and you are wrong.

There. Thats decided.

LOL

Bri has spoken! end of subject, he wins.


Thread killer.