Whats the deal with Tommy Carruthers?

[g-bells]

Don't go to Carruthers. He is a fraud. He talks himself up as knowing more than he does and his original Instructor Prof Gary Dill says he only did 2 days with him and once he got the bit of paper he ran. So all the talk of knowing the purest strain of JKD is all bullshit. He made his name with his seminar video flying about cyberspace. Apart from that he has no credibility as a JKD instructor. I got caught up in the hype after viewing those clips and promptly joined his class. What a RIP-OFF!! All it was was scenarios and dummy fighting. There was no moves taught. Also an induction was required before allowed to take part in class. All this consisted of was 4 lessons of basic footwork, kicking and bobbing and weaving. All for £100. You could learn that from a basic self defence book. Bloody discrace. I found him to be obnoxious and his head up his arse.

All I can say is DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE

why not try them both then make a decision, having the chance to train with them two is a luxury most of us don't have and i would take full advantage of it

just my 2 cents

[Guest]

yep, and talking a load of garbage too

Mr Carruthers did start under Gary Dill, but has since gone on to train with many first generation Bruce Lee students such as Ted Wong, Howard Williams and Jesse Glover to name a few. He is certified under Ted Wong and is his rep in the UK, for a start.

To repeat what I said when this thread was first posted, I trained with Mr Carruthers circa 97/98 and I think he is very good at what he does. Before even getting involved with Mr Dill he was a Boxer, and the man is in incredible shape. His speed, strength and power have been rivalled by very few in all of my studies since. I don't care what you call it or who thinks they have the pure form, the man can definitely motor.

I have no personal motivation for stating any of this, I think people know my lineage and loyalties.

[Guest]

I don't care who he studied under.

Easy there Brewer, I was just trying to offer a bit of background!

[wee_man]

Michael Wright

Why did u leave if he was so good ? And also 10 years is a long time ago so why has it taken him so long to finally get reconised, albeit through selfish self-promotion through cyberspace. If he was a bone fide martial artist he would be writing in magazines and getting exposure that way, like Rick Young. You earn respect, not force it on people's faces. That's the thing about showcase video's, they are all stage-managed and doesn't necessary reflect the person's technical ability. Anyway, it's a different thing being a martial artist and Instructor. Some people can make the transition and some can't. Martial Arts is not all about being physical, there's the spiritual and Intellectual side. Not a lot of people can claim to be a complete Martial Artist

[Guest]

Moved job, moved house, moved on. Simple as that really.

Look wee-man, you clearly have a beef with TC for whatever reason so wanted to come on and vent your spleen. You've done that, so don't try to turn it into some philosophical discussion about a true martial artist, or the evils of "cyberspace" (you're on an internet forum by the way). Just say what you have to say.

And by the way, Rick Young gained recognition and respect by being an awesome, world class martial artist - not by writing in a magazine.

[Liberty]

[QUOTE=Mike Brewer;290424]Such a soap opera.

I swear, sometime soon, someone's evil twin brother is going to come back from the dead and recover from amnesia only to discover that he is the father of the younger woman he's been seeing.QUOTE]

Actually, I used to know a guy who ended up doing just that! An ex-street gang member; he was hanging out with some others still in their own gang when a war with their rivals broke out. When they came looking for blood, he was caught in the middle, shot, and left for dead. When he recovered, his alcoholism deepened and so forth.... Some time later, he sended up with a girl younger then him. When he sobered up, turned she was his daughter! The poor guy is a wreck today...

I tell ya, sometimes I think there isn't a scene we can come up with that human beings have not already been through somewhere at some time. What a world...

[Liberty]

Jesus. I hope you're making that up.

Tell the truth, Lib -

You're quoting from some script you read, right?


(I'm kidding, I'm kidding!)

Actually, I was quoting from a script. It's called, "Life: The only game where the object of the game is to learn the rules."

This really happened, poor guy/daughter. Hey, here's an idea - if you'd like, I could track them down and give them your email address! You could interview them for that book of yours. LOL!

On that note, how is that book coming along - gonna be a hell of a read!

Let me know if you need someone to research, make-up or reinterpret any quotes you decide to use - LOL!

Still love ya, guy. Peace. Liberty.

[Guest]

No discredit to the forum member who is assisting you, but this is your work. Your experiences, your words, and your creativity that puts them on the page. This is your book.

Along the way there will be plenty of people who want to put their finger into your pie, so from the outset hold a firm line on your ownership

Just my 2c sir.

[Liberty]

Naw, I can do my own writing. No need to plagiarize.

Besides, I'm sure you'll be quoting my stuff in a few years anyway.)

It's coming along pretty well. Another forum member here is an excellent sounding board, and he's done so much to get me on track and keep me there, I think I'm going to have to name him as a co-author.

I was kidding on the research/quotes thing. If it it turns out as as goood as it appears it'll be, I'm sure many will quote from it. Looking forward to reading it (once) LOL!!!

[Liberty]

I know you were kidding, Lib. I was kidding back.

What's a "kidding back," is that like "the outback," (or is that like "my back is out") or... "running back," or like "back for more," or "back to back," or HELP, "I'm stuck in 'quote' hell...."

[Liberty]

kidding - v. Meaning "to kid" or the act of "kidding." See also - to tease, mock, or make fun of.

back - n. Meaning "in return" or "in response to."

Example:
Since Liberty was kidding, Mike was kidding back.

And I'm afraid there's no way out of that quote hell you're in. No hope at all. You'd have known that had you read the quote above the door, "Abandon all hope ye who enter here."

Too literary?

To "qoute"-ish, Garcin (as in Sartre's, "No Exit")

[Randell]

http://www.tommycarruthers.com/tcforum/showthread.php?threadid=1264

According to Tommy, we should stay away from these JKD'ers.

As Tommy suggested a stay away from or watch out thread of fake instructors and why we should stay away from them as well as where they are located:

These are some that are in the USA that I know of.

John Lopez; California USA
he sells so-called JKD certs.

Paul Vunak California, USA
he let's his students, such as John Lopez, sell certs. He also has other issues that make him a stay away from person.

Roy Farris California, USA
claims to be an instructor in many arts. It is a published fact that he is a convicted child molester.

[Guest]

Yeah, TC always had a particular hair up his ass about Vu, told me to stay away from the guy and anyone associated with him.

Delighted I didn't take his advice, eh Mike?

[wee_man]

The gospel according to Tommy Carruthers is it?

I'm sure Paul Vanuk would be petrified if Bruce Lee mark 2 discredited him and tried to ostracise him from the JKD Circle. After all, correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Carruthers go down the Concepts route and actually trained with Vanuk at Inosanto's Academy but found they don't dish out 2 day certificates so found an easier payday in "pure JKD". If you go back and read all his forumn content, he is always dissing people and forcing himself as a major JKD face or authority. He doesn't tell you when forced to defend his actions he shows his true colours as a coward when challenged by true men. Examples include true martial artists and men of honour "Ken Shamrock", "Rick Young", and "Marc McFann". I'm suprised he didn't try to lie in his forumn how he challenged them and they backed down from him. That's how much a plastic martial Artist he is. An invention of cyberspace, a Bruce Lee imitator who got lucky on "Stars in their eyes"

[pbear]

The gospel according to Tommy Carruthers is it?

I'm sure Paul Vanuk would be petrified if Bruce Lee mark 2 discredited him and tried to ostracise him from the JKD Circle. After all, correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Carruthers go down the Concepts route and actually trained with Vanuk at Inosanto's Academy but found they don't dish out 2 day certificates so found an easier payday in "pure JKD". If you go back and read all his forumn content, he is always dissing people and forcing himself as a major JKD face or authority. He doesn't tell you when forced to defend his actions he shows his true colours as a coward when challenged by true men. Examples include true martial artists and men of honour "Ken Shamrock", "Rick Young", and "Marc McFann". I'm suprised he didn't try to lie in his forumn how he challenged them and they backed down from him. That's how much a plastic martial Artist he is. An invention of cyberspace, a Bruce Lee imitator who got lucky on "Stars in their eyes"

i met him at the seni 2 weeks ago and thought he was a real down to earth bloke and he even reconized me later on in the day just outside seni and wished me a safe journey home, i thought his manner he was impeccable.