groundfighting?

[strblast]

Hi everyone,

Other than BJJ or JJ, what other style teaches ground fighting?

In ground fighting, what would be the best position to be in, the mount or on your back?

[sikal]

Originally posted by strblast
Hi everyone,

Other than BJJ or JJ, what other style teaches ground fighting?

Whew boy ... here are a few off the top of my head:
Harimau Silat
Shootfighting
Catch-as-can Wrestling
Bintang Silat
Sambo
Vale Tudo

I'm sure there are a hundred others I'm either not remembering on the spur of the moment or am completely unaware of :-)

In ground fighting, what would be the best position to be in, the mount or on your back?

The only position in a fight is the one you're currently in. In a fight, you don't get to choose which position ... so it doesn't matter which is "best" (and this relative term will differ from person to person, against different opponents, and from style to style). If you're training to be able to fight on the ground, you need as much training as possible in any of the various positions (and there are a lot more than two).

From here, I'll let someone who's better versed in groundfighting take it over. I'm mediocre at best.

Mike

[Ern-Dog]

What I like

Since we're talking about groundfighting (punching, kicking, knees, elbows, biting, submissions) and not just grappling for submission or choke only; I'd have to say I like a upward position better than being on my back. By upward I mean: mount, cross-body, 1/2 mount or knee in chest, etc. Gravity is the key. When I'm on my back and I'm punching, gravity isn't working for me but against me. Also, if my punch lands my opponants head can "give" with the blow which helps to lessen the impact. On the other hand if I'm in a upward position and I'm connecting with my strikes, then gravity is working for me. When I connect with my opponent and his head is against the floor then the impact of my punches is greater (no "give"). If his head isn't against the floor even better, when the punch lands the force will make his head snap-back and smack against the floor/concrete. This is a good way to scramble your opponants brains a little bit, he has to deal with the impact of the punch as well as the impact of his head against the floor/fighting surface.

[sikal]

“Lo there do I see my father. Lo there do I see my mother, my sisters and my brothers. Lo there do I see the line of my people, back to the beginning. Lo, they do call to me. They bid me take my place among them; in the halls of Valhalla, where the brave may live forever!”

Ern-Dog, I recognize this quote from "Eaters of the Dead" by Michael Crichton (the premise for "The 13th Warrior" movie ... and I think they used this quote in the movie too).

Did you get it from this, or from somewhere else? Just curious :-)

Regards, Mike

[Ern-Dog]

The movie

I love this quote. I got it from the movie "The 13th Warrior." Bulvi (sp?) the leader of the viking group says this right before the final battle begins as he is slowly dying from being poisoned.

[sikal]

Re: The movie

Originally posted by Ern-Dog
I love this quote. I got it from the movie "The 13th Warrior." Bulvi (sp?) the leader of the viking group says this right before the final battle begins as he is slowly dying from being poisoned.

Cool :-) In the book, his name is spelled "Bulwyf" (if memory serves).

They also said it when they were loading the willing sacrifice onto the funeral boat with the old king when ibn Fadlan (character played by Antonio Banderas) meets the vikings ... at least they did in the book (and I think they did in the movie too).

I too love this quote. If you liked the movie, then you may want to read the book ... it's (as usual) better than the movie. There are things in the book that were skipped over or modified for the movie. These things are little ... but they, IMHO, make the story better in some ways. And, amazingly enough (unlike other movies that I've also read the book for), reading the book didn't diminish my enjoyment of the movie. In fact, it heightened it.

Later, Mike

[Twisted up]

Positioning

Every fighter eventually develops his "own style" based upon his preferences and personal attributes.

You may find you like some variations of top positions better than others.

For me, knee on chest offers a lot of control, submission and striking opportunities--plus it's a very "mobile" position. You just have to maintain control of the near arm in a street situation so that your opponent cannot attack your groin.

You should strive to become skilled at all positions and develop the ability to move with control from one to another.

On the guard position, I only use this position on emergencies (ie., I lost control / positioning and my opponent is in the process of reversing me). I like working for a sub from there but my FIRST thought is of escape or reversal so that I can get back on top.

Just spend about 1000 hours on the ground rolling against alive opponents and you'll develop your positioning skills REGARDLESS of the specific one you find yourself in!


Happy Rolling!

John W. Kogas

[Ern-Dog]

Thanks for the tip.

I'll definately have to check into getting that book. Thanks

[MikeJKD]

"In ground fighting, what would be the best position to be in, the mount or on your back? "

Well, in my humble opinion, there are two preferred positions to fall back on when groundfighting enters the picture. The first is on your belly, with your legs flat behind you...five hundred yards away and armed with a sniper rifle. The second would be in a knee on the belly position with several knives stuck into the guy on the bottom.

[Rocco]

Originally posted by MikeJKD
"In ground fighting, what would be the best position to be in, the mount or on your back? "

Well, in my humble opinion, there are two preferred positions to fall back on when groundfighting enters the picture. The first is on your belly, with your legs flat behind you...five hundred yards away and armed with a sniper rifle. The second would be in a knee on the belly position with several knives stuck into the guy on the bottom.

oooooh.