TaeKwonDo VS Grappling

[dwoolman]

I know that the winner of a TaeKwonDo VS Grappling would depend on how good the fighters but I would like to know who you would say was going to win???
Its a classic case of striking VS Grappling......your opinions would be appreciated.
I take TKD by the way.

[NHBMARK1]

Sorry, (in my opinion)
It's really not that simple. A class A wrestler like Randleman,Coleman etc or a BJJ expert like Machado or Gracies
are trained to shoot at a certain time, it's like a light goes off & slam, on the ground.
Now on the other hand, if the grappler isn't top notch & your TKD
person has a lightning kick, sure the grappler ends up on the ground, but not like he planned. On a related but side note.
I remember a UFC quite a while ago where Don Fry beat the
crap out of what was being hyped as one of Brazilians best BJJ
fighters, Amiroury Bittetti(excuse the spelling) And
Fry kept out of that range & took total comand of the fight & destroyed "another legend"( It's a great lesson in ranges, if you get a chance to look at it)
Anyway, sorry for the word explosion here.
I think it depends on the individual attributes..Again just my opinon..Take care & have a nice weekend.

[Maxximus]

As soon as the wrestler shoots, the TKD master will easily use his fine tuned footwork to quickly retreat out of range and immediately land an axe kick on the back of the wrestler's neck, instantly rendering him unconscious

[NHBMARK1]

Yeah in theory, but has it actually happend?
I find most grapplers vs "kickers," the kickers end up on the ground & that usually ends the fight.
I do like to be proven wrong, any nhb fights you can think of
that go against me theory?

[dwoolman]

1 Fight

I've only seen one fight on T.V out of quite a few that had a Grappler VS a TaeKwonDo man, the fight lasted a few seconds. A front kick came in from the TKD man.....the grappler rushed as soon as the kick was made and totally mistimed his move. The end result was a roundhouse kick to the side of the head....the ref stopped it there and then as soon as the grappler fell to the canvas. Like I said though that was the only fight I've seen between a kicker and grappler.

[Maxximus]

NHBMark,

In case you couldn't tell, I was being sarcastic.

[YeLLa-TiGeR]

riiiiiiiight

I was a former TKD man myself, I was heavily into competition for awhile as well. I quit and am in thai now, the only grappling range I feel comfortable in is the plum, and I still rather keep my distance.

Grappler will win.

[aseepish]

I love Muay Thai, but given the right conditions, the grappler will win (Hmmmm... Deja vu! I think someone's posted that before).

On Friday I was sparring with a Thai boxer (with a background in TKD and Shaolin). I traded Tepes and leg kicks for a while, and eventually shot in. I got behind him (as to avoid any elbows and knees) and took him down. I mounted, and having absolutely no ground experience he turtled. I got my hooks in, sank the rear choke in, and he tapped. I'm a mediochre grappler at best too.

-Tony

[NHBMARK1]

Exactly!
And another example I thought of after I last posted.
Remember how Remco Pardou(spelling?) vs Orlando Weit
turned out?
Of all things the "grappler" beat the thai fighter with...elbows!
Go figure.. He was either unable to control his range or was too
worried about "those sob grapplers".
If someone went in & did what they do best & not get psyched
out, some would turn out different.

[gungfuhero]

MMA grapplers spend more time working against a live, resisting opponent than most TKD guys ever do. It is more of a question of training experience than "art A" being superior to "art B". If the TKD guy was well trained, had decent hands, and new how to sprawl, I think his chances would greatly improve. If he had the current fighting ablility in terms of what he could functionalized that most TKD guys have these days, I would hand the fight to the average grappler. Besides, grappling range is the easiest to maintain. It's hard to create the distance to axe kick someone when he has you in a good body lock.

[Maxximus]

A good muay thai fighter who is trained to defend grappling attacks well can beat the crap out of grapplers. Just look at Mo Smith or Vanderlei.

[gungfuhero]

I think the reason that Mo Smith and Vanderlei did so well against their grappling opponents is that they both spent way more time than 99.999% of the TKD guys in their conditioning, sparring hard-core, sparring against good fighters, and most of all they had a good understanding of how to fight a grappler. The majority of the successful "strikers" were good crosstrainers. Most TKD people don't look outside of TKD.


Besides, Thai boxers hit real hard !!

[Twisted up]

gungfuhero:

How right you are. In order to hang with the grapplers, those guys learned grappling! At least enough to know how to handle themselves defensively.


John

[likuid]

pedro rizzo is a perfect example, he's a muay thai man that knows how to defend on the ground...i agree with the previous statement, it really is a matter of training. Most TKD guys tend to be narrow minded and don't experiment or cross-train.

[gungfuhero]

I've trained with several good TKD people who crosstrained and fought pretty realistically. Granted they are the minority, but it is interesting to see the fast footwork and kicks from somebody who can actually use them.