JKD-related Trapping terms

[Bystander]

Lap Sao, Bong Sao, Pak... these are terms I have heard in my currently beginner training in JKD-related philosphies under a Jun Fan and kickboxing context. I've been doing drills that go over various concepts that have names... but I don't know their names, and my instructor doesn't know some of their names, either. The ones that he does know, I have read on various posts here and there on this JKD forum.

This is a longshot, but I might not be alone in this... Does anybody know where I can find out what names go with what movements? Might anybody be willing to post them here in this thread so that I can call them by their proper names instead of calling it "that twisting thing where your elbow pushes down and ends in a backfist".

I know it is not going to be easy to put these intricate motions into words in this forum for others to learn, and possibly misinterpret, but I accept the risk, and know that this is a good start... better than nothing. My point in all this is that... I want to know the terms that go with the movements that I have been learning.

[BIG Sean Madigan]

Here's some

Hi,

I don't know if this is what you are looking for. If the proper terminology is important to you, then I strongly suggest that you find a JKD instructor that knows...well, JKD. I am not saying that this is the case with your instructor, but I always hear that the people that don't know the terminology, either don't care about it (which is cool) or are just making things up as they go along.

It is near impossible to train in a JKD school without knowing most, if not all, of these terms.

Anyway, hope it helps,

BIG Sean Madigan


Ha Da = low hit
Jung Da = middle hit
Go Da = high hit
Bil-gee = finger jab
Jik Chung = Straight (vertical) punch
Gua chuie = back fist
Ping chuie = horizontal fist
Choap chuie = knuckle fist
O'ou chuie = hooking punch
Jik chung chuie = Straight Blast
Pak sao = slapping hand
Lop sao = grabbing hand
Jut sao = jerking hand
Jao sao = running hand
Huen sao = circleing hand
Tan sao = palm up block
Mon sao = inquistive hand
Wu sao = protecting hand
Fook sao = bent arm elbow in block
Bong sao = raised elbow deflection
Doan chi = single sticking hand
Chi sao = sticking hands
Phon sao = trapping hands
Sut = knee
Jang = elbow
Jeet tek = stop kick, intercepting kick
Jik tek = front or straight kick
Juk tek = side kick
O'ou tek = hook kick, roundhouse kick
Hou tek = back kick
Juen tek = spin kick
So tek = sweeping kick
Dum tek = stomp kick
Ha so tek = inverted sweep kick
Gua tek = inverted hook kick
Goang sao = low outer wrist block
Ha pak = low slap cover
Wong pak = cross hand slap cover
Gum sao = pinning hand
Sut sao = chopping hand

[Bystander]

Thank you soooo much!!! This is exactly what I wanted. The philosophy of Jeet Kune Do appeals to me greatly, and I do hope to grow in that direction as a martial artist given time and dedication. My choice of instructors is extremely limited where I live. I'm trying to find my own path with what I have available to me now. This board helps. Thanks.

[BIG Sean Madigan]

Sil Lim Tau

Hi,

If you are into Wing Chun Kuen as well, here is Sil Lim Tau written out step by step. It's not "JKD" but some folks find it helpful.

All the best,

BIG Sean Madigan

http://www.combativesolutions.com

Opening

Section One
· L Jik Chung
· L Huen Sau
· Sau Kuen
· R Jik Chung
· R Huen Sau
· Sau Kuen
· L Tan Sau
· L Huen Sau
· L Wu Sau
· L Fook Sau
· L Huen Sau
· L Wu Sau
· L Fook Sau
· L Huen Sau
· L Wu Sau
· L Fook Sau
· L Huen Sau
· L Wu Sau
· L Pak Sau
· L Palm Strike
· L Huen Sau
· Sau Kuen
· R Tan Sau
· R Huen Sau
· R Wu Sau
· R Fook Sau
· R Huen Sau
· R Wu Sau
· R Fook Sau
· R Huen Sau
· R Wu Sau
· R Fook Sau
· R Huen Sau
· R Wu Sau
· R Pak Sau
· R Palm Strike
· R Huen Sau
· Sau Kuen


Section Two

· L Gum Sau
· R Gum Sau
· Rear Seung Gum Sau
· Seung Gum Sau
· Seung Lon Sau
· Seung Fak Sau
· Seung Lon Sau
· Seung Jom Sau
· Seung Tan Sau
· Seung Fook Sau
· Seung Jut Sau
· Seung Biu Gee
· Seung Gum Sau
· Seung Jing Sau
· Sau Kuen



Section Three

· L Pak Sau
· L Palm Strike
· L Huen Sau
· Sau Kuen
· R Pak Sau
· R Palm Strike
· R Huen Sau
· Sau Kuen
· L Tan Sau
· L Jut Sau
· L Gwat Sau
· L Tan Sau
· L Huen Sau
· L Laying Palm Strike
· L Huen Sau
· Sau Kuen
· R Tan Sau
· R Jut Sau
· R Gwat Sau
· R Tan Sau
· R Huen Sau
· R Laying Palm Strike
· R Huen Sau
· Sau Kuen
· L Bong Sau
· L Tau Sau
· L Palm Strike
· Huen Sau
· Sau Kuen
· R Bong Sau
· R Tan Sau
· R Palm Strike
· Huen Sau
· Sau Kuen
· L Tut Sau
· R Tut Sau
· L Tut Sau
· Straightblast
· Sau Kuen

Closing

[BIG Sean Madigan]

Hi,

I'm in a giving mood.

BASIC TRAPPING PROGRESSION
JUN FAN METHOD

1966 PROGRESSION

1) Pak Sao Da

a) By reference point attachment
b) Bridging the gap to attachment
c) By feinting then bridging the gap to pak sao da by capturing
d) Pak sao da by capturing
i) In flight during attack
ii) In chambering position before attack
iii) In chambering position after attack

2) Types of Pak sao da

a) Gnoy da or O’ouy da
b) Loy da (two types)
i) Inside of wu sao
ii) Outside of wu sao
c) Jung da
d) Ha da

3) Pak sao da to Jik chung chuie

4) Pak sao da – Bong sao – Lop sao da with qua chuie or Sut sao (Fak sao) – Gum sao da

5) Pak sao da – Loy Pak sao da

6) Pak sao da – Chung chuie – Loy Pak sao da

7) Pak sao da – Biu sao as wedge – Pak sao da – Lop sao da - Pak sao da

8) Pak sao da – Biu sao as wedge – Lop sao with chung chuie - Pak sao da

9) Pak sao da – Biu sao as wedge – Lop sao da – right Sut sao (Fak sao) – Gum sao da

10) Pak sao da – Biu sao as wedge – Pak sao da – left Sut sao (Fak sao)

11) Pak sao da – Biu sao as wedge – Lop sao da – Pak sao da – left Sut sao da (Fak sao)

12) Pak sao da – Biu sao as wedge – Lop sao da – right Sut sao (Fak sao) – Cup sao da (Kao sao da)

13) Pak sao da – Jao sao – double Jut Sao – gum sao da – Jang (elbow)

14) Pak sao da – Jao sao – double Jut Sao – Dum tek – Gum sao da - Jang (elbow)

15) Pak sao da – Jao sao – double Jut Sao – rear hand Biu gee or rear chung chuie – Gum sao da to any type of follow up

16) Pak sao da – Jao sao – double Jut Sao – Jong tao (Headbutt) – Sut (knee) – Jang (Elbow) or Gum sao da (Vice versa)

17) Pak sao da – Jao sao – double Jut Sao – Sut (Knee) – Gum sao da – Jang (Elbow)

18) Pak sao da – Jao sao – double Jut Sao – Dum loy tek to knee – Gum sao da – Jang (Elbow)

19) Pak sao da – Jao sao – double Jut Sao – with any combination of headbutt (Jong tao), punch (Chung chuie), knee (Sut), foot stomp (Dum tek), elbow (Jang), Finger jab (Biu gee), any palm strike (Jern), inside stomp kick (Loy dum tek), backhand knifehand (wisk hand), Sut sao / Fak sao etc.

20) Pak sao da – Go Jao sao da – Ha Jao sao da – Go Jao sao da – double Jut sao – rear hand Biu gee – Gum sao da – Jang (Elbow)

21) Pak sao da – Go Jao sao da – Ha Jao sao da – Go Jao sao da – double Jut sao - Gum sao da – Jang (Elbow) – to other combination routes

22) Pak sao da – Go Jao sao da – Ha Jao sao da – pak sao with qua chuie - to other combination routes by energy

23) Half Pak sao da – Lop sao da – Kao sao da inside of lead arm

24) Half Pak sao da – Lop sao da – Pak sao when parry hand passes – Pak Lop sao da

25) Half Pak sao da – Lop sao da – Chung chuie after parry hand passes – Jut Pak sao da – Gum sao da

26) Half Pak sao da – Lop sao da – Huen sao to rear hand Sut sao – gum sao da

27) Fake Pak sao da with delay – Chung chuie after parry hand passes – Jut Pak sao da – Gum sao da

28) Pak sao da – Gnoy Lop sao da – Pak sao da

29) Pak sao da - Gnoy Lop sao da – Loy Kao sao da

30) Gnoy woang pak sao da – Gnoy Lop sao da – Gnoy Lop sao da on the rear arm

31) Half Pak sao da – Lop sao da – Chung chuie behind rear parry – Jut sao da – Gum sao da

32) Half Pak sao da – Lop sao da - Chung chuie behind rear parry - Pak sao da – Lop sao da – Pak sao da

33) Half Pak sao da – Lop sao da - Chung chuie behind rear parry - Chung chuie behind returning parry – Gum sao da – Fak sao da – Gum sao da

34) Choap chuie – Qua chuie – Lop sao with Qua chuie (Rear hand block)

35) Choap chuie – Qua chuie – Pak sao da – bong sao with Lop sao with Qua chuie or Fak sao (Sut sao) (for lead hand block)

36) Choap chuie – Qua chuie –Jao sao to all the basics in the Jao sao series

37) Choap chuie – Qua chuie –Gnoy Lop sao da – Pak sao da

38) Fake Choap chuie – Fake Qua chuie to :-


1. Juk tek (Ha, Jung, Go)
2. O’ou tek (Ha, Jung, Go)
3. Jik tek (Ha, Jung, Go)
4. Ha hou O’ou tek
5. Hou sut
6. Jung dum tek
7. Jun juk tek
8. Jun qua tek
9. Jun so tek
10. Jun o’ou tek
11. Jun jung dum tek
12. Jun jik tek


Numbers 1 to 12 are in the Jun Fan Gung Fu Chum Kiu series. The Jun fan Chum Kiu techniques are not to be mistaken for the Wing Chun Chum Kiu techniques. Jun Fan Chum Kiu techniques are “seeking the bridge” or attachment entering techniques or bridging the gap techniques.

[BIG Sean Madigan]

Today is your LUCKY Day!

Here are some Curriculums for you to play with....guess who's they were?

Enjoy!

BIG Sean Madgian

http://www.combativesolutions.com

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Seattle Curriculum



Gin-Lai or Salutation

Bi-jong or ready stance

(Incorporating the Centerline Theory)
Immovable Elbow Theory

Four Corner Theory

Footwork:

Forward
Backward
Shifting right
Shifting left
Sil Lim Tao (basic form taught in Seattle)

Straight punches and elbow punches and various body punches

Bil-jee (finger jab)

Kicks:

Forward straight heel kick
Forward shovel kick
Side kick
Low side kick
Low toe kick
Groin toe kick
Hook kick (medium & high)
Spinning back hook kicks
Chi Sao (sticking hands)

Blocks:

Tan sao
Bong sao
Gong sao
Vertical fist punch
Fook sao or elbow contained bent wrist block
Palm strikes - vertical - side - and palm up
Techniques:

Pak sao
Lop sao
Chop chuie - Gwa chuie
Pak sao lop sao gwa chuie
Lop sao chung chuie lop sao chung chuie
Chop chuie gwa chuie lop sao chung chuie
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Oakland Curriculum



Salutation
2. Kicking Drills:

Five corner kicking: alternating kicks between left and right foot.
Five corner kicking: from low to high.
Clockwork kicking: real-time kicking with the closest weapon.
Combination clockwork kicking & hitting: advanced.
Key: real-time, no hesitation, closest weapon to closest target.

Stance: Bi jong
Lead stance: shuffle, front, rear, side.
Form is the essence, balanced, smooth, feet stay on the ground, (skating)
Strictly lower body movements: each movement is independent.
Comfortable and alive, natural bounce, not rigid or stiff with hops or jumps.
Shuffle to various strikes and kicks.
Key: be alive and comfortable.

Evasive Maneuvers
Evade various strikes (some exaggerated to make easier)
Evade various kicks.
Evade various combinations of strikes and kicks.
Minimal movement to make opponent miss.
Know what position and distance is safe for you.
Individualize and adapt to the size and reach of the opponent.
Evade and counter: after learning the above.
Keys: Better to miss by an inch then to block by a mile.

To block is to get hit.
Don't engage the opponent, disengage him.
(e.g. don't tangle yourself in blocking and trapping movements)

The whole idea is to intercept his physical and emotional intent to hurt you.
Classical versus the New (modern)
Sil lim tao: performed the classical way.
Regarding trapping: cut the movement in half for realism.
Concentrate on speed and economy.
Key: economy of motion, efficiency.

Hook punch: closer to the body then a boxer.
Elbow next to the rib, much tighter and compact.
Key: centerline theory (from the center, not outside or wide).

Take the skin (or paint) off of your ribs.
Rear heel kick: tighter, more centered.
Key: Take the skin (or paint) off the inside of your legs.

Separate punching drills:
Centerline punching (rapid): straight-line blast with closing footwork.
Separate kicking drills
- Two Aspects for improved kicking:

Power: Water in the hose analogy for transfer of force through target.
Speed: Whip analogy for speed of recovery:
(e.g. shoe laces pop, kicking a gnat out of the air)

Combine, blend power with speed drills, make adjustments.
Keys: Delivery system - instant, fast relaxed.

Hand before foot
Non-telegraphic (no pre-steps or stutter steps)(for punching: no flinching)
Complete emphasis on speed and economy of motion.
The less you move the better.
Clean and sharp as a two edged sword, pure Chinese Kung-Fu.
Power comes with time, sometimes years; on the spot power.
Speed comes with accuracy.
Proper form and body alignment with balance.
Footwork is supposed to be light and easy, not jumping around stiff, but relaxed and smooth without deliberation, angular and instant.


Basic Trapping.
Pak sao
Lop sao
Gong sao
Jut sao
Tan sao
Bong sao
Economy of motion: cut these movements in half.
One hand trap
Two hand trap
Key: Trapping is only a by-product.

Hit, hit and more hit: not trap, trap and then hit.
While engaging an opponent, if there's emptiness…Hit.
Skim and glide with friction but let the Chi flow.
Line drills (Quiet awareness)
Sensitivity: Touch vs. Non-Touch.
Distance: Measure your distance
Safe
No man's land
Gates, body positions, and zones
Key: Put yourself where you're safe and the opponent is not.

Circle to the outside of the strong side, away from rear hand.
Immobilize the lead leg or hand, after you hit, not before.
Practice Drills
Attack and defense.
Key: Stun him first, before obstruction, to break his rhythm or forward momentum.

Apparatus training
Finger jab
Straight blast
Side kick: shin, knee target
Side kick: power through target
Strikes to traps
Kicks to traps
Bridging the gap
Basic wing chun traps
Strike to hand immobilization to takedown
Kick to leg immobilization to takedown
Backfist (high to low, low to high)
Keys: All trapping concludes in hitting

Don't punch and kick at an opponent, kick and punch through him
Broken rhythm (Don't be predictable)
Using the stop-kick as a jab as you incorporate it in footwork
(e.g. be loose, fluid, Ali-like)

Burning Step: hand to foot impetus.
The pendulum: avoidance then following back swiftly and instantaneously.
Basic and primary goal: Each student must find his own
Identifying the tools
Using the tools
Sharpening the tools
Dissolving the tools
In adapting to the opponent:

The Three Phrases:
Ice: solid, unchanging, rigid.
Water: liquid, flowing.
Steam: gaseous, focused pressure.

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Los Angeles Curriculum



Fitness Program

Alternate splits
Waist twisting (three times to each side)
Run in place
Shoulder circling
High kicks
Side kick raise
Sit-ups
Waist twisting
Leg raises
Forward bends
Punching:

(Hanging paper, glove, glove pad, wall pad, heavy bag)

Warm-up - the letting out of water [the idea of dropping the hammer loosely]
The straight punch (left/right)
with pursuing
The entering straight right
high
low
The back fist
Kicking:

Warm-up - (left/right)
letting out of water
the whip
Side kick - (left/right)
[note: choice of group training method]

Facing two lines
In group
One student comes out
Straight kick - (left/right)
Rear kick
The shin/knee/groin kicks
Hook kicks [low first] and toe kick
Combination kicking - eventually with hand
Basic Defense:

The stop hit
The shin/knee kick
The finger jab (close range)
Any type of kick to fit in
The four corner counter
Power training:

Isometric training:
The upward outward force
The basic power training
The punch
The kick
Classical techniques

Pak sao
Lop sao
Gwa chuie
Chop chuie/gwa chuie
Pak sao/gwa chuie
Double lop sao (a & b)
Chop chuie/gwa chuie, lop sao/gwa chuie
Jut sao
Pak sao/jut sao
Chop chuie/gwa chuie/jut tek
Inside gate tan da
Tan da low/gwa chuie
Chop chuie/gwa chuie/lop sao
Combination:

Right hand feint with groin kick
Right kick feint with bil-jee
Right feint to stomach with right straight to head
Right feint to head shift to right to stomach.

[PentjackSilat]

I always knew the vertical fist as Chun Choi,
and multiple verticle fists as Jik Chun Choi.
I also think that
Jon Sao=Palm Sideways Deflection
and
Biu Sao=Palm Down Deflection
were missed.