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  • #16
    Yep, I read it. I still think I'm more long-winded than you, though

    Seems you've put a lot of thought into your philosophy. I can't really find too much fault with your conclusions, but just remember that other people work through life just fine with simpler or even cruder theories.

    I used to be worse into it than you. I spent hours reading Kant, Louis, Spinoza, as well as the Tao De Ching, the Koran, the Bible, the Analects of Kong Fu Tzu, and others. And, yes, I wrote my own philosophy, and still write fiction.

    One word of advice: don't get carried away with Victorian English. They wrote that way because they spoke that way. No one says "doth" anymore. Still, nothing wrong with the meaning of the words, but folks accept it better (I assume the reason you posted them) if you write the way you speak (within reason).

    If I was you, I would find a reputable Bugei instructor (the better ones, of course, often reside in Japan). That is the long-term, heavily spiritual, comprehensive warrior art. It includes in-depth study of the daito blade set. Visit http://www.bugei.com These folks make quality, battle-ready daitos and the founder of the company practices Bugei with a master. There is history there too. email these folks. I think some folks call Bugei Kenjutsu. I have not researched yet if this is a lingual corruption. Bugei.com may know.

    Ritual combat with blades is only practiced in certain remote territories in Southeast Asia (namely parts of Indonesia, Malaysia, and the Philippine Islands). Unless you go there, your battle etiquette will do you little good. The chances of you having a blade when you need it are slim, and just as slim will be the chance that you are facing a brother who will not have a gun (or some similar means of overmatch).

    Don't get me wrong. I'm not against blades. I carry a tactical folder, a kubatan, and a telescopic springing billy. I would carry my kris if I thought I wouldn't frighten everyone in sight. Given the chance, I'd probably carry a kampilan too (it's legal in my state, but what's legal and what cops harass you for are two different things).

    Once you've learned technique and can manage instinctive action (mushin, in Japanese), you only need to remember one thing:

    When you are cornered, cut; when you are surrounded, cut; when you are wounded, cut

    And I don't just mean with a blade, in fact, not even primarily . . .

    But I would seriously consider sparring with a trained practitioner before you accept that you are proficient in any weapon. Self-teaching isn't wrong, but it can be faulty without proper community support (e.g. instructors, sparring buddies, videos, books, etc.) Usually, you'll need more than one of these to be successful.

    Good luck.

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    • #17
      Sir Brokenmace, I actually do talk like this. And no, I am not from England or any European locations.
      Also, I would like to make note, that if you were a girl between the ages of 18 and 22, I would marry you.
      (Don't be frightened, I am just awestruck at your knowledge and kindness!!)
      More people should act as you do!
      Thank you so much for your help!! I REALLY appreciate your noble acts of wise enlightenment!
      Does Bugei also show hand-hand fighting? If so that sounds like the place for me! I am wanting to learn Hand-hand and weapon combat. I want to be primarily proficient with sword, and secondarily proficient with flourentine blades, something like wakizashis or sais.
      I am going to that site you spoke of, as of the moment.
      I thank you, and express my humble gratitude! You are a truly kind man!

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      • #18
        I'm flattered . . . I think

        Does Bugei.com offer hand-to-hand? I don't think so. It's primarily a business that sells well-crafted battle swords. They have good articles, interviews, and history. They don't pretend to teach you how to fight, and certainly not hth. But they can point you to folks you can train with or aquire knowledge from.

        If you want hth also, I would recommend Kali/escrima, as it teaches weapons and empty-hands at the same time and with a sophisticated digree of integration between the two (which kalistas consider one). But unless you go to certain kinds of Kali (I'm thinking of Sayoc), you might not get the spiritual education you are after. But some Kali schools offer Kuntao (way of the fist), which is decendent from Chinese boxing. This is always heavily spiritual (when taught properly). Good luck.

        The only Kuntao/Kali school I actually know of is in Tampa Florida. My Sifu tells me there are many like it.

        Respect

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        • #19
          BTW, you mentioned spanish fencing? Rapier and dagger? Well, for one thing, that is one of Kali's primary weapon groups (they call it espada y daga), and it is conceptually derived from spanish fencing.

          Filipinos had to respond in kind to what the Spaniards brought to the game of war. I don't think the techniques are identical, but I'm sure there is crossover. I'm more familiar with Medieval swordplay than Rennaisance. But if you want to know more about martial studies in general, two places to go are http://www.paladin-press.com and http://www.uniquepublications.com. Especially checkout the books by John Clements. He's the man, when it comes to European swordsmanship.

          Later.

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          • #20
            I thank you yet again!
            Does Jeet Kune Do offer weapons training also?
            If so, I wonder if there is a school near me...

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            • #21
              http://www.inosanto.com has a list of all his affiliated instructors. If you try the yellow pages (and you should), remember that ignorant Joe Public still associates martial arts with Karate. That is were you will find most martial arts schools listed under. At least as of 1998, which is the last time I had to look.

              BTW, JKD does have a modicum of origanal weaponry (mostly cane and knife techniques) but it was dropped by Inosanto because it was less complete than Kali. Kali fits quite well with JKD. That is why many folks into JKD follow this path, wether they've trained at an Inosanto-affiliated school or not.

              By now I probably sound like a Kali fanatic. To tell you the truth, it wouldn't matter if A) it didn't take a lifetime to get truly good at kenjutsu or B) kenjustsu covered as many weapons in such a genius way as Kali. Kali is a tribal war art. It was meant for farmers who were also warriors. It wasn't meant for the elite, as kenjustsu was. You can be good at the basics in six months of training. I'm sure it took even less time back in the day when it truly mattered for survival.
              Last edited by Brokenmace; 08-11-2002, 10:57 AM.

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              • #22
                Thank you!!!

                So do you think Kali, Kenjutso, or JKD is for me?

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                • #23
                  To sum up:

                  Kenjutsu is highly spiritual, focusing on the traditional samurai weapons of war. Aside from the philosophy, it probably won't help you out much as a practical matter.

                  The fighting arts associate with JKD are all combat/street fighting oriented. It and its derivatives have been taught to US special forces troops for years. It is also highly spiritual (the philosophy of JKD is based on Zen Buddhism and Taoism), however its brand of spirituality is subject not to the instructor but to your own whim. It seeks to point the way, not command you. If you are looking for discipline, it isn't the quickest route.

                  Kali isn't a great source of military/karate style discipline either. It is, conceptually, a cousin to JKD in many ways. It is often less spiritual. Some styles of Kali are more spiritual than others. You'd want to go to the Filipino Martial Arts board for more info there.

                  If you can find a highly spiritual style of Kali, I would take that, since some of these styles have their own warrior code (in ways like bushido). The upshot over Kenjutsu is that the art is still street-applicable, in a material since. Most techniques and principles are equally applicable to sticks, swords, clubs, knives, batons, whips, chains, scarfs, and many other sundry improvisations.

                  What I'm trying to say is that Kali seems to be the middle road between the other two.

                  Kenjutsu - sword focused and heavily spiritual

                  JKD - unarmed focused and moderately spiritual

                  Kali - unarmed/armed focused (equally) and moderately spiritual

                  Now decide if you want extremes or a balance. What I gave you aren't hard and fast rules that are unchanging. I'm sure there are some hardcore kenjutsu folk who aren't so spiritual. Conversely, I'm sure there are JKD practitioners who go so deep into the philosophy that they study and meditate more than practice martial application. However, my generalizations bear out for most schools.

                  Yeah. Not so simple I guess. Trouble is, only you can answer what precisely you want. Probably only Kenjutsu offers live-in retreats and long-term meditation classes. Check the web.

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                  • #24
                    Dude, I love you!
                    I'm going for Kali and Kenjutso!
                    Thanks alot man!
                    You are the best!

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                    • #25
                      Now where could I go that has a college for Kenjutsu....
                      I need someplace with a live-in dorm..... Any Ideas?

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                      • #26
                        You're on your own there, man. But if I was you, I'd start checking out ads in martial arts magazinesa and websites. Be careful of scams, though. They run rampant in any industry.

                        Good luck, and let me know how it turns out.

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                        • #27
                          Ronin

                          What happened to www.houseofronin.org ???
                          I found THE place, and it won't let me connect to the server. =/

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                          • #28
                            Did you find a school you were looking for? Is price or relocation a problem?

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                            • #29
                              I dunno.. I am looking into some schools in Kenjutsu/Aikido, but noone has responded this week.....

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                              • #30
                                Sean,

                                I sent you a couple of emails to which you did neither respond, nor acknowledge. I just wanted to restate those points for you in case you email had never received them. I would be willing to work something out with you if you wanted to train with and live in Cookeville. If not I would be more than happy to use my martial arts contacts to try and find you what you are looking for. I know alot of big names in the martial arts world that would halp find something. Let me know either way.

                                Thanks

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