Any tips on how to beat tae kwon do with JKD?

[jee t]

Hi everyone,

i'm totally new here, and have always admired Bruce Lee and his way of fighting.
I'm in a situation where i'm fighting a black belt Tae kwon do guy, and I have no training at all, besides reading up of JKD stuff.
Could anyone gimme some tips on how to beat him?
He loves to kick people in the head. He's a cocky showoff, and I want to teach him a lesson.

[Corion]

Generally speaking taekwondo fighters are point sparrers, so crowd him attack with punches and usually he will drop his hands ALOT. just go with the flow

[doubleouch]

I had 15 years of tkd so I know a little about their weaknesses. Crowding them is a good idea. Get in too close to kick and use your boxing if you have any. They usually have no idea how to protect their head. I don't know what type of sparring you are doing but they usually know no ground techniques that work effectively. If you have any ground game use it. Don't fool yourself their kicks are hard and can knock you out. I have seen it many times. If you stay far back and make him step forward to kick you you will have a chance to see his kicks coming. Whatever you do don't stand in his kicking range. If you stay far enough back that he has to telegraph his kicks then rush in and crowd him when he launches an attack you should take away most of his game. The high kicks leave you very off balance. You should be able to push him down alot when he kicks high. They don't usually retract their kicking leg fast enough because they want the judges to see their point scored. This a good bad habit to take advantage of. If you crowd his high kicks and give him a good shove while his leg is still in the air you will make him look foolish.
above all don't let him dictate the sparring rules because he will pick rules that favor his strengths and protect his weaknesses. He will ask for no hands to the head and no kicks below the waist. Don't agree to that.

[Brokenmace]

All the above is good advice. One thing. Don't ever let a TKD stylist or a Karateka grab your punching hand. If they do this, almost certainly they will yank you toward them and sidekick you to the ribs. Ouch!

To avoid this, you should use broken rhythm in your movements, and if this doesn't work and they grab you anyway, immediately kick their shin, reverse the grab, and side kick them to the ribs.

Good luck

[jee t]

thanks all for the replies.
although i dont really have training, i read a lot of JKD stuff and try to work on punches everyday.
i really wanna hurt this fool, and im thinking about kicking him hard in the shins, kness, etc.
this is a great forum, and i hope to learn much more here. Thanks

[knifer]

If you want to use Jeet Kune Do against this guy all you have to do is trick him!

Just tell him you will fight him at some far off place where you will meet and the challenge will take place.

Make sure it's really far away and will cost plenty of time and gas money for him to get there.

And once you know he will definitely go there to fight you, don't show up and go eat a buffet or something while he's waiting for you to arrive.

This is what Bruce Lee called the art of fighting without fighting.

But if you guys feel it is necessary to engage in physical combat, bring a weapon and beat him with him.

There is no such thing as a fair fight for a JKD guy

[Brokenmace]

Theoretically, knifer is right. That would be the easier more "JKD" like way. But it probably won't work. You have to consider the objective in fighting this preening peacock.

What does he want? If he is after an ego trip, knifer's suggestion will humiliate him and he'll be out for your blood in a less-than-civil manner. He'll probably try and turn the tables on you, and if that doesn't work he'll do something drastic. I know these type of fools. You'll probably have to whip him before an assembled crowd to be done with him.

By the way: what did you do to piss him off?

[jee t]

man,
thanks for the replies and all....but you guys just have to know this guy to understand. If I do that restaurant style, he'll be talkin his BS for years "you're such a wuss", "youre all talk", etc....
So words wont do it for this puss.
This all started because of one night, where he was trying his moves on this girl, and invited all of us to a movie. Well, whenever there's a girl in the picture, he goes nuts and showsoff to the best of his ability and as much as freakin possible.
He drove 110 on a busy freeway weaving in and out of traffic, going in emergency lanes, etc and I was in this other guys car, who followed him, at 100, almost killing me and my buds.
To him, this is cool and will impress the chick, which sadly, DID, just as I predicted (they always go for the bad boys, huh?)
Anyway, he's always been a bitch, but this night was the worst, and now imma pound his ass, with my no training.
"The art of fighting, without knowing how to fight"

[Biker]

Until you can get in close be sure to protect your head. TKD guys love their fancy high kicks. Snap kick, hook kicks, spinning back kicks, etc. When he starts some spinning move you have to move in QUICKLY and you will be able to pound him like the little girly-man he is. If your timing is just right, you can get to him with his back to you while he is in the middle of spinning and push him down. Humiliating and odds are he'll hurt himself. Just don't fight in his kicking range, get close and use your fists. Careful hitting his head, you can break your hands then it'll be all over. As tempting as it may be, try to avoid popping him straight on in the mouth, his teeth can cause more damage to your knuckles than you will to him.

[Brokenmace]

While sizing him up before the match, beware of the following:

Does he have any foreign objects at the ready? (knives, sticks, guns, etc.)

Is he wearing equipment (if he is, don't punch to that area, or you'll break yourself)

Did he bring "buddies" to help him out? Or is he a lone prick?

Are there any "gentlemens" rules? or is this just an evil street throwdown? If it turns life and death, take out his eyes, throat and groin first.

If it's serious, but not serious enough to take someone's life, you should take out his joints (kick the knee, hyperextend the elbows, grab fingers, stomp at ankles). Be careful, though. Johnny Law might see things differently. And don't talk to the cops until you get a lawyer! Not a word!

Never punch the head (use heel of the palm instead), and if your knuckle gets cut or split, don't open that hand (but don't clinch either). If you open the hand and the tendon is cut, you'll retract the tendon behind the skin and suck in more debris and bacteria form the guy's body. It also makes it harder on doctors.

BTW: you should consider getting out of this while saving face, somehow. Fighting is serious and dangerous. It could get ugly as Nam. However, if you seriously believe he'll try something if you back out, then you might as well know when, right?

Also, always expect a knife once you get to grappling range.

[jee t]

all very good advice, and very true!
i will expect some spins for sure from him.
as far as "buddies", i think i'll have those.
we discussed, "no rules" already, and before the fight, i will make it clear that everyone agrees to no suing of any kind about this fight.
really, this guy aint serious stuff, but im not going into the fight with a cocky attitude. keep in mind he USED to be a friend.
thanks both for the head tip, and i DO have an urge to sock him in the head, so maybe i'll try that palm move.
well, the fights today, after him making stupid excuses and whining, so i'll let you all know what happens.

[Fighter]

I hope this isn't too late but here a few tips:

If he gos for a high kick bob and weave and then in with a swift fist to the groin.

Try alot of different feints, feint a low kick, come up with a fist in the nose.

Get in as close as possible. In a clinch situation a TKD fighter is at a vunerable point.

The are just a few tips but be sure to let me know of the out come.

[jee t]

well, the fight is over........and only lasted about 15 seconds. (I swear to god)
Basically, I "won", but i'm very disappointed on how i did.
First off, this jerk sets up the fight while he's teaching other guys some stuff! I get there and he acts all innocent, making me look like the bad guy.
And to make things worse, there were KIDS THERE!!
I told him, wrong place wrong time, and that he shoulda had some common sense to not fight in front of kids or while he's doing some other shit with other students.
Anyway, this guy gives me no respect from start to end. At first, he didnt even get ready, just talking to his buddies, ignoring me.
So i tell that bitch to fight, and he says he's wearing no gear, and COMMANDS me to wear a head gear. At first i got pissed, but my good friend just said wear the helmet gear, so i did (save excess trouble/less talk, more fist).

Anyway, no more BS. The fight:

he starts with a front hook kick, followed by a high side kick. I block those (small room, too many guys next to me, im against a wall).
he backs up, i step in and give him a low lead kick to the shin (pop). I follow with 2 punches to the head, but they were so weak, he just grabbed them, and we broke away (but he didnt know what to do with my hands, obviously)
He kicks another high one to my head, which nearly hits my head.
Right after that, he does another kick, and while this kick is returning to his body, i kick the inner thigh of the leg he used to kick me with.
But he said i "low blowed" him. Anyway, no rules, right?
From that hit, he just kneels down, and the fight is over. Shoulda seen the pain on his face...
Less than 15 seconds.
After the fight, he says, "i took it easy on you......all i know is....you can never beat me."
So by then, i couldnt take anymore of his BS and cockiness, so we left.
Sad thing, my other friend was supposed to fight him next, but that punk was already gone from 2 low kicks.
I asked my friends what they thought of him, and they said he didnt look like no black belt, and they could probably take him.

Now, why i didnt like my performance:
the real fight was a totally different feeling from training/practicing. I didnt do many punches, which i wanted to, mainly because i didnt want to do anything "extreme" in front of those kids or his master. I told his ass wrong place/time, and his master AGREED with me!
Also, i admit i was a bit scared. it was my first experience fighting a "black belt". I coulda done much better. Couldnt think clearly.

But, i KNOW i hurt him, and that's satisfactory i guess.
I looked so amateur, but ended up causing so much pain, but remember, he "wasn't even trying"..............

[knifer]

You are lucky he "wasnt" trying otherwise you would be six feet under.

Why would you go to a place like that to fight a TKD chump? Was there money involved? or did you just wanna be a tough guy?

You may have won, but you are a fool for going there. Well, maybe if your buddy brought a gun it may have been okay, but I know guys who would jump your ass and beat you down the moment you started winning.

Just keep this in mind for the next time, because maybe I will challenge you and my friends bust your head open with a lead pipe the moment you start winning or if things ain't going my way.

[Biker]

Why be disappointed? Real fights do not look like a carefully choeographed Jackie Chan fight. People got sloppy with their techniques because of the pressure and adrenaline. You did good from the sound of it. His attitude afterward was his poor attempt at saving face in front of some students. If you can never beat him, like he says, what happened then? Did they teach him wrong as a joke? The bloodier he gets the better he is doing? From what you said I'll assume it was at the place where he trains, controlled conditions. Smart move on your part, stupid on his for having kids there. That way the likelyhood of weapons or buddies jumping in are greatly reduced.