Jeet Kune Do "The Art of the Retarted"

[knifer]

Hey!!!!!!!

It's my favorite moron!

How are you Rorny? Still out there causing trouble from the saftey of cyber space huh?

That's okay. As far as Jeet Kune Do is concerned, yeah, Bruce was the Ronald McDonald of Martial Arts.

And the reason I say this is because the Clock Choke that Wallid used on Royce was illustrated in full detail on pg 123 of his book the Tao of Jeet Kune Do.

[Brokenmace]

I think that UFC shit's gotten to everyone's head. Remember, it's not REALLY no holds barred. It's not a street fight.

I can tell you this: if a BJJ purest tries to take me down in a real street fight, I'm taking his eyes, blood and puke with me

As for a mugging? Well, getting hit in the head from behind is hard even for a stud like you to deal with. If you see it coming, any halfway smart mugger will pull a piece on you from too far away, shoot you if you run, and shoot you if you charge. And they aren't easily faked out by the old tricks, like throwing keys and such.

Now, if you see it coming? and they don't have a gun far away? Well, JKD has some advantages, which it holds in kind with Krav Maga: the control of the physiological response. This is more important than anything else, really. Most BJJ practitioners I've talked to didn't even know about it unless JKD was also being taught in the same dojo.

[kluten]

everybody should respect tjhe other styles, there is no such thing as the best style. It is how you work it..

[Brokenmace]

Like I said, its your response (physiological response), rather than your style that's determinate on the street. If a JKD man freezes up, he's already lost. If a BJJ stylist keeps his wits he has a good chance. If I tackle someone just standing there from fright, he's done for, even if I know nothing.

But what can you do with a psycho pointing a gun at you at ten paces in a bare alley?

[knifer]

"But what can you do with a psycho pointing a gun at you at ten paces in a bare alley?"

You pull out your knife and rush him.

[knifer]

Well Rorny,

I don't know what JKD guys would do, but I'm sure they got something up there sleeve.

However, this kind of scenario is nothing new to me and here are some of the things I would do.

Depending on where he is standing or where he holds his knife dteremines what you can do.

Get him by surprise. When you pull out your wallet he will expect a wallet.

However instead of your wallet, you pull out your knife. When he is surprised, you would do a footwork to achieve an advantageous position.

As you 'footwork, you can parry his weapon hand to his left, or your right, and as you parry, you parry his hand into a 'table' strike which more than likely surprise him.

Now that he is surprised and freaked out because you are a trained knifer, you then convert the table strike to a 'thrust' directly for his eye. Even if you miss the eye, it's okay because you will hit him in the face or even the neck.

Now, once his face is all bloody, you can follow up with a 'Ccircular' Strike to his neck, his kidney, his back, whatever target or opening you created as a result of the simultaneous parry and footwork techniques.

In fact, you can even follow up with a secondary strike to his knife hand because after the initail parry, you have forced his weapon hand to a chambered '#4' strike position and he has no option but to strike from that angle which is precisely what you want and will receive because there ain't much he can do unless he wants to get stabbed in the gut.

It all actually depends on the circumstances and what he does with his knife, where he stands etc.

But in general, that is one of the many effective things you can do.

Of course I understand that you probably have no idea what I'm talking about and that's okay because I don't expect a guy like you to possess this type of sophisticated martial philosophy.

Now Rorny,

What would you do?

Would you do that silly little BJJ kick to distract him, and then clinch so you can get stabbed? Or does BJJ even have ways to 'effectively' deal with this kind of scenario? Or does BJJ just assume that they can use their technique to effectively deal with this?

You see Rorny, you don't know any of this stuff because You are a McDojo student. McDojo only teaches techniques for the ideal environment where their art can succeed. They never teach you or show you how their art sucks because if they did, you wouldn't go and they would have to close the McDojo forever.

Probably the best thing to do is run from that scenario, but of course BJJ McDojo think they are invincible and would pull a knife guy into their guard.

[auto]

Timing;awarenes;come on.

It is all about the timing and awareness.If you are caught sleeping then forget it. Boy you guys really need to go to prison and learn a thing or two. It depends on what he did first. Did he pull out the blade and then threaten you? Then he should have been hit way before his mouth opened(When you saw the weapon being pulled). Remember, he is expecting you to be scared shitless-not to attack him and he is only thinking one weapon while you have many. How close is he? Kicking range,finger jab range,punching range,trapping range,grappling range( though I doubt you want to grapple someone with a blade in their hand)? Did he talk smack before pulling the blade? Again the response is immediate. Are you going to sit there talking to him or take him out in the middle of his threat? It is strange that you badmouth JKD. Have you ever sparred with a true JunFan artist? I am not talking about some panny anny wanna be, but a well trained well seasoned(meaning fought many a fight against different kinds of opponents) practitioner. It will change your outlook on many things-including your grappling art. Tell me what you would do in the same situation with your grappling art. Just for comparison.

[knifer]

auto,

Prison???

No way I'm going back to that fuc kin place. Thank God for the techniques otherwise I might be dead.

auto, it sounds like you are approaching Rorny's scenario from an empty hand perspective. That's a little foolish don't you think? Wouldn't you just rather run instead of considering all of those empty hand possibilities?

Where did you learn JKD from and have you ever been locked up?

[knifer]

Rorny,

LOL! Yeah I heard a lot about how BJJ guys in Brazil use arms like a club. It makes sense to do so because that's pretty much the only weapon a BJJ guy can use once he gets his arm sliced off.

Wasn't that a BJJ guy in The Holy Grail Monty Python who got his arm cut off?

[auto]

Jun Fan actually

Only Ted Wong and Dan Inosanto were given certs in JKD. Not even Taki or James were given this. That is why I say Jun Fan. I trained with a buddy of mine who trained in I believe it was Torrance at the time(it was a long time ago). I lived in Riverside at the time. There was a group of about 30 of us from different arts and different countries. Four or five times a week we would get together and spar and learn from each other what worked and what didn't for each person. I learned Kyokushin Kai Kan from my sosai Mas Oyama which was very functional(I posted his memorial website in another post a few days ago) and Jun Fan from my bud(can't mention his name-it was a packed we had-maybe for fear he would get in trouble from Dan). I've sparred with wrestlers,gung fu,penjat,TKD,boxers,tai,escrima,arnis de mano,street fighters and many others. I also learned Kali from another friend and how to use the bali song a little(cut my fingers up real bad learning though). We trained with guns, knives, sticks and how to defend/disable with empty hands which is why I have no fear of weapons. One note though, Escrima knife fighters are really-I mean really hard to disable-they have a lot of trapping techniques like Jun Fan which I though was neat. My worst encounters occurred in prison though. I nearly killed a man with my bare hands and was sent up. In there people don't play(but you know that already). While you are boxing/grappling, you get shanked. I became what you would call a soldier. Anyone with any sense knows what a soldier does. That was me. I was given the order and had to do it-or else it was my ass. So that my track record-- too many fights on the street and the State took me away. Oh well, we learn from our mistakes-right?

[knifer]

auto,

Finally! I have met A forum member with a working knowledge of the reality of martial arts who know that it goes way way deeper than BJJ and High School Wrestling.

Nice to meet you. My name is knifer.

[Alex]

Hey Rorny

Im pretty sure he knows that already numbnuts by looking at your username.

It is proper decorum that when you 'officially' introduce yourself to someone you restate your name, regardless of whether or not you have already been speaking or communicating, numbnuts.

[arizona kid]

numbnuts?

just an observation,,,
i came to this site a month or so ago to find a gym-dojo
to work out & meet a possible training partner or trainer.
one thing i noticed, for a group of guys to have had as much training in the various arts, you seem very undiscliplined
& very argumentitive. in life i have always been able to tell
a fake from the real deal, please, if you want to be taken seriously stop the yakking about who's dad can beat up who
& talk MA cuz i aint commin back to this site if ya don't
also, just for fun... if you have this much time to argue back & forth.. maybe you all aint in the arts cuz it takes all the time i have to work, church, play with the kids, workout, mow the grass,
& still have time to talk with yall
get real eh?

p.s please don't show me your real self by replying with more BS
the kid

[Biker]

This is actually a decent forum. There is quite a bit of bickering that goes on, but the amount of information from personal experiences makes it worth coming back.

[Brokenmace]

I agree with Biker. Gotta separate the wheat from the chaff. Some of these threads die out into one-upmanship between two members, but for the most part we're all civil here.