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  • #61
    The end result of all martial arts training (both cross training and specialization) should be the performance of the althlete.

    To reduce the end result to an argument over the semantics of the name of the system is, well, utterly braindead.

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    • #62
      To some a name is everything. Besides "Jeet Kune Do" is a trademark, so to call something JKD that's not is the same as stealing.

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      • #63
        Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do is trademarked, but Jeet Kune Do isn't.

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        • #64
          I see and stand corrected.

          Thank you.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Great Sage
            Your Jeet Kune Do or Mine?
            by the Great Sage

            So much has been said about Jeet Kune Do that I think it’s been blown out of context. As a matter of fact, no two Jeet Kune Do are the same. Understand that Jeet Kune Do is an expression of self. It’s a concept, Bruce Lee’s concept and no one else’s. Personally, I don’t buy into the whole idea of “this is Jeet Kune do,” or “this is how it’s done.” For Bruce Lee even stated “I cannot teach you what you must learn.”

            Therefore, Tae Kwon Do is my Jeet Kune Do. It’s my expression of the martial-arts, but it’s not REAL Jeet Kune Do, that was Bruce Lee’s expression. It’s hogwash that so many martial-artists are condemning the traditional martial arts. They don’t restrict anymore than any form of mixed martial arts. Traditional styles simply teach fundamentals which every martial arts has. What you do with that is your business. For instance, we all learn how to write, yet no two people write the same.

            People who have no understanding of the traditional arts assume that a karate man will automatically start performing kata or start throwing reverse punches in a fight. That’s a mistaken perception. Those are merely tools to shape awareness and good form, the same principles that are applied when you practice anything else. Creative freedom? That’s inherent in everything so Bruce Lee got it wrong. If Jeet Kune Do says that one should have “no way” then why does one need to train at all? For there is a “way” to training. Even Bruce Lee’s methods consisted of pre-arranged techniques to simulate fighting. Isn’t that very much like a form, kata or sparring?

            Although I revere Bruce Lee for he was my childhood idol, he was a functionalist and therefore bias against traditional martial arts. In my martial art, spirituality and tradition are as important as the art or function. These days, Bruce Lee has been made up to look like a Christian Jesus. Just as Christians believe there is only one way to do something, so do most JKD afficionados. But as Bruce Lee will point out, there is no right or wrong way, only your way.
            Very nicely put Sage. In actuality, beings he taught Jeet Kune Do, It is said that he told his students that JKD is the finding of your own personal Style, expression, and way of fighting. That he would show how his methods work, and also explain others in an atttempt to aid you in finding your own personal expression. This in some ways refers to kung fu in the fact that kung fu was for self enlightenment, as welll as self defense and competition. So JKD is in many ways than officially, a Kung Fu Style.

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            • #66
              I think JKD is what ever martial arts you practice that are geared for the streetz.

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              • #67
                Does that mean that there's no structure or JKD techniques? Is it just anything that works in the street?

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                • #68
                  JKD is not "exclusive" of any one style... that's why it uses "no way as way"...

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                  • #69
                    of course I could be wrong...

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                    • #70
                      Oh man.... This should be good. Sifu Tackett, please tell us what it is about JKD that has so many people striving to claim it as their own? Is there no "way" to separate or dissect JKD from OTHER styles? Is EVERYONE doing their "own thing" actually practicing Jeet Kune Do? Please! Is there ANY WAY to distinguish what IS JKD and what IS NOT?

                      I would like to think that I have some idea of what it is but clearly I am no authority. While I have read some of your books and spent many hours training with Mr. Faulkner I can not seem to "SIMPLIFY" the explaination. Will the forum members even understand or accept that there is a REAL JKD way? Or will they continue to cultivate the misinformation and propaganda about JKD being this or that or NOT being it's own style?

                      I hope you will try to help clarify this issue of "yours or mine"...

                      Sincere thanks to you sir!


                      Raymond G.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by thtackett
                        Does that mean that there's no structure or JKD techniques? Is it just anything that works in the street?
                        I assume their is alot of street worthy techniques that have already been implemented into JKD, but since JKD is constantly evolving, ANYTHING that works in the street and maybe the ring will be in JKD, but i dont know, youre the expert.

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                        • #72
                          I believe that there is something called Jeet Kune Do. If you took from Bruce Lee in 1960 it was mostly based on wing chun and was called Jun Fan Gung Fu or Bruce Lee's Gung Fu. If you took it in 1964 in Oakland a different stance was used and boxing was added. If you took it in 1969 it was called Jeet Kune Do and was heavily influenced by Western fencing theory. At that time there were basic principles that defined JKD. Some of these principles that Bruce taught were:
                          1. No passive defense.
                          2. Intercepting not blocking. To do this efficiently you have to have your strong hand forward.
                          3. Daily minimize instead of daily increase.
                          4. Controlling distance and time.
                          If you have 40 different techniques to deal with a straight lead punch is that JKD?
                          If you don't use JKD structure are you still doing JKD?
                          You still need to look at other arts and do as much research as possible and not be bound by what was taught in 1970, but don't add for the sake of adding. Add only what fills a gap in your offense or defense. Try to have the minimum responses to a single stimulus. Don't bother learning techniques that only work against someone who is no good. Make sure that it will work against any opponent. Bruce Lee told Bob Bremer, "The best to win the fight is just to reach over and knock him out." Work on being able to do that.

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                          • #73
                            Thanks Sifu Tackett that's a lot clearer now..

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                            • #74
                              yeah, I appreciate the good info

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                              • #75
                                I assume their is alot of street worthy techniques that have already been implemented into JKD, but since JKD is constantly evolving, ANYTHING that works in the street and maybe the ring will be in JKD, but i dont know, youre the expert.
                                well basicaly all martial arts can ''work'' on the street.

                                ANYTHING that works in the street and maybe the ring will be in JKD
                                youre partly right ...did you know that biting was part of JKD?We are just not ''taught'' how to since it is just instinctive survival fighting.Not anything that works on the street is JKD,thats more ''self defense'' (such as senshido)..like talking your way out of a fight is not what i call JKD nor is tickling your oponent to death (but you'll have to verify if he's ticklish first).



                                3. Daily minimize instead of daily increase.
                                I don't understand,please explain sir.

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