If vertical or horizontal fists feel unnatural try this

[kengar]

Glad to see others looking at the vertical fist. I spents several years in Isshinryu Karate and they use the vert fist. Very seldom when training on a heavy bad do I turn to a horizontal fist, it is ingrained in me. It does help maintain a strong fist and coming straight from the hip it allows more speed.
goatnipples2002, good technique to demonstrate the stength of the vertical fist.

[goatnipples2002]

the crazy thing is that I don't even study a specific art. No art fits me.

No problem for helping you spread the word. I feel that only experienced individuals possess or acknowledge this small piece of big info.

[Drew Howe]

Originally posted by swan104


This is an interesting post. When I workout on a bag, I feel a lot more confortable throwing the punches in a horizontal manner (like a straight blast) than if I use boxing combos (like the jab-cross) where the fist is horizontal.

This is probably due to poor execution of techinique, but in the past, I have hurt my wrist when throwing a punch, and feeling my wrist bend when I hit the pad/bag at a funny angle.

I also find that I throw a hook with the fist vertical (palm facing towards me own body) rather than horizontal (palm facing down). Is there a preferred method of aligning the fist when throwing a hook?

Steven

Hey Steven,

First off, all "original" JKD punches are executed with a vertical fist. That includes the jab and the cross. Unfortunately, it's kind of hard to explain the way to properly execute JKD punches. But being loose and relaxed is the key. Economy of motion, non-telegraphic movements are also important.

[Thai Bri]

How can JKD punches be anything specific? Won't different people absorb what it useful for them, without being hindered by rules such as this?

[Drew Howe]

Originally posted by Thai Bri
How can JKD punches be anything specific? Won't different people absorb what it useful for them, without being hindered by rules such as this?

I'm simply referring to what Bruce Lee taught to his students prior to his death. Not the drivel that was published under his name after it.

[goatnipples2002]

try what I was talking about. A diagnal fist

[Thai Bri]

Originally posted by Drew Howe


I'm simply referring to what Bruce Lee taught to his students prior to his death. Not the drivel that was published under his name after it.

Looks like Bruce Lee didn't practice his own concept.

[Drew Howe]

Originally posted by Thai Bri


Looks like Bruce Lee didn't practice his own concept.

JKD is a martial art with specific techniques. Bruce formed JKD by absorbing what was useful to him and by disgarding what was not. Bruce encouraged his students to follow in his footsteps of absorbing what was useful etc. True that this is the higher concept of JKD, it was how JKD was formed. However, Bruce never said that it was okay to teach karate etc., w/ JKD concepts and call in Jeet Kune Do, or call yourself a JKD instructor.

I know this isn't the popular belief, due in large part to Inosanto
that have pushed Jun Fan Gung Fu as being Lee's personal expression of JKD, and that JKD is only a concept. I can't exactly understand why this was done. All I know is it didn't start until a while after Bruce Lee was dead. One possible reason could be that Lee had asked Inosanto to stop teaching JKD, and the Chinatown school was closed. It is possible that maybe Inosanto felt that he could start teaching Bruce Lee's JKD provided, he called it Jun Fan, and that wouldn't be going against what Bruce had asked him to do.

In the end, I have no clue. Only Inosanto knows that. He is certainly a great instructor, and knows as much about martial arts and self-defense as anyone could possibly know.

[Thai Bri]

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10234

[IPON]

Originally posted by Drew Howe
However, Bruce never said that it was okay to teach karate etc., w/ JKD concepts and call in Jeet Kune Do, or call yourself a JKD instructor.

This is the problem with JKD. People argue the value of MA or concept, IMHO it is very clear it was only meant as a concept. Lee felt people should be experienced MAs first (though I know mant of his early students were not).

Why did JKD become popular $$$$$$$$....period. Many people were cashing in on the Lee craze and were not qualified nor authorized to teach, just like with BJJ everyone is jumping on the bandwagon and teaching with white or blue belt. The difference is Lee is dead so there is no quality control. I believe that is why inosanto started teaching, not for $$$ but to preserve what Lee was trying to do. But the problem is the "style of no style" has become a style and has turned into the watered down (wing chun) garbage Lee was trying to prevent.

Have you looked at poteet on a wingchun dummy It looks really impressive to somone that know nothing of MA in general and specifally wing chun....just garbage. JKD is probably the #1 selling "become an instructor by video, online, or a weekend seminar".

Don't get me wrong there were a few instructor which were/are good, but on the whole it is garbage. No flame just my opinion

[Ryu (JKD?)]

I smell a big huge political JKD debate on the horizon!


And you guys wonder why I use the Japanese translation of the word these days.

(They're judging us! They're judging us! )



On a serious note,
I agree quite strongly with IPON on this matter.

I can see, though, where the other side is coming from as well.


I should go...someone threw a tomato and it nearly knocked me off my fence...

Ryu

[IPON]

Originally posted by Ryu (JKD?)
I smell a big huge political JKD debate on the horizon!

RYU - I agree and I am not trying to start one nor am I trying to offend anyone, that is why I am being general-I don't want to discuss specific instructors. But I will discuss, well ...the concepts as I am just stating he truth from my experience and research.

[Thai Bri]

Bruce was trying to get people to find their own way. That got twisted round to everyone supposedly finding HIS way, and now Dan's. Talk about a cock up.