Are katas and djurus the same thing??

[swan104]

They look like forms to me!

[terry]

Yes, IMO.

[tarung]

jurus

yes, it is the same

jurus used in pencak silat

jurus = kata = forms = dead patterns

[pcarney]

Re: jurus

Originally posted by tarung

jurus = kata = forms = dead patterns

But isn't repititions of techniques, etc, trained in every style? Be it combinations on pads, 'block and counters' or whathave you, it seems repitition is a critcal factor in learning any martial art. I don't study any arts that use katas, but it would seem that they are a viable training component (one of many).

[sikal]

Re: jurus

Originally posted by tarung
yes, it is the same

jurus used in pencak silat

jurus = kata = forms = dead patterns

"dead" is in how their trained, not in the things themselves

Anything can be trained "alive" or "dead" (IMO).

If you take a form and you extrapolate techniques from it, then you spar with those techniques, it is a live.

The form itself can be like a "technique generator."

Or, like a "bag of flour" - http://www.cs.pdx.edu/~tellner/magdadj.html

My problem with forms isn't the forms themselves but rather how they're often taught. I do forms and teach forms in my Silat and Kun Tao Silat curriculums. But, primarily, I use them as I described above and to present my students with the "flavor" of the arts I teach. The form is just a training tool.

Get lost in the form (or any other training tool) and you're training "dead." Use the form (or other tool) for its intended purpose and you're training "alive." (IMO)

Mike

[terry]

Actually, my favorite form was the 'DP' kembangan form. People think it is so named because of the 'depak' footwork (step behind) that is used a couple of times in it. WRONG. It is named DP because that stands for 'domono's pizza'. You go through all the motions of making a pizza: spread the dough, put on the cheese, put on the sauce, put on the toppings. Then, as you put it in the oven you do a depak. Then you dance around while it cooks. One more depak as you take it out of the oven and lay it on the table, and, whala, a nice pepperoni pizza.

You'd be amazed at how seriously people take this kembangan before they know the meaning of it.

It's the best laugh I had since the Muay Thai can can dance (R knee, R teep, L knee, L teep) game I played on my guys. They finally caught on after 10 minutes when I had them link arms.

Useful training? Right up there with talking on your cell phone.

Terry

[sikal]

Originally posted by terry

Useful training? Right up there with talking on your cell phone.

That's one opinion

Mike