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The sage experiences without abstraction,
And accomplishes without action;
He accepts the ebb and flow of things,
Nurtures them, but does not own them,
And lives, but does not dwell.
Originally posted by brokenelbow Lee had skills but not to the point where he was the ultimate martial artist. I think he was on the right path for him, but for all we know he also could have decided to drop the martial arts and become a dramatic actor, or open a chain of Bruce Lee McDojo's, or become a champion light weight boxer. We'll just never know.
And what's your speculation got to do with anything?
Originally posted by brokenelbow So answer me Sage, who couldn't Lee beat?
Again... This is not the argument at hand — No one is debating Bruce Lee's fight record, except you. It seems brokenairhead has run out of ideas and wants to begin a new thread...
I've debated on whether to post on this, but..... here goes!
If you have the chance and have never attended a Joe Lewis seminar, do it.
He'll tell you straight out what he liked about what Bruce Lee taught him and what he didn't like. He'll show you what's worked for him and he'll tell & show you why he's doesn't like others.
If he shows you something, it's something that he's been able to use in competition, be it in tournament or full-contact.
You may not like what you hear. You may not agree. But you know that he's being honest.
I agree that Mr. Lewis' comments come off as being disrespectful. Whether he intended them that way.... I don't know.
I know I've heard him say that Bruce Lee was the fastest man that's ever stood in front of him! Coming from Joe Lewis, that's a compliment!
One thing I've found out about Joe Lewis... you either like him or you don't. There's no middleground.
He speaks his mind whether you like it or not.
I've found the best thing to do is take it in stride and don't get all worked up over it.
Grate Mange, you're the one comparing Lee to Bill Gates. The main event that happened in the 20th century for martial arts was Royce winning the UFCs. That the day martial arts changed.
The key moment for Bruce Lee Legend.
1964 - August 2 - Long Beach, Ca - Ed Parker, known as the Father of American Karate (Kenpo), invites Bruce to give a demonstation at his first International Karate Championships. In the audience is Jay Sebring, the hair stylist for Batman producer William Dozier who is looking to cast a part in a TV series he was developing. Sebring then gives a film of Bruce's demo to Dozier who is empressed at what he sees. Bruce later flys down to Los Angeles for a screen test.
Juddoko1, so you're suggesting that telling someone they're not a fighter even though they've trained their whole life for fighting is not an insult?
Fighters fight, most of the rest of us merely train. That's not to say that trainers won't discover better ways fighters to do things, but they're still not the same.
Originally posted by Brokenelbow:
I better not type after beer time. What I meant to type...
"Much of Lee's importance is as a cultural icon, someone whose celebrity was able to increase awareness of martial arts."
If that's what you meant then I apologize for chewing you out. I actually agree with you about that, not typing after beer time huh? Maybe I should take that advice myself..
The sage experiences without abstraction,
And accomplishes without action;
He accepts the ebb and flow of things,
Nurtures them, but does not own them,
And lives, but does not dwell.
Broken Elbow, you shouldn't talk without getting all the facts. Bruce got into a lot of street fights in Hong Kong, and that's the main reason why he was sent to America. he was a fighter and a trainer, great in both aspects. Now let's live the dead man alone and get on with our frigging lives.
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