Bruce Lee's Size.

[Great Sage]

Originally posted by Thai Bri
Lou Ferigno, Arnold Schwartsennegger......These are steroid filled body builders ya moron. And they trained at the same time Bruce did, thimble dick. And believing their tales of pundage on the bench press is akin to believeing they didn't take steroids.

I take it you've never studied any sort of logical thinking... I'm merely using these two baffoons as predessesors of modern weight lifting routines. 500 lbs is normal for body builders of today... Go and do your split routines for the rest of your life and you won't get any bigger. Try several months or weeks of hard, intense day after day workout and maybe you'll see a difference — the point is to trick your muscles.

Originally posted by Thai Bri
The question is, did you? I know where my money is on that one. Oh yes. I know all about splitting routines. thanks. But it is also well known that the cumulative effect of ANY hard weight training on your central nervous system will take its toll if you train every day. Unless you're juicin'. Tell me, is there a squelching noise when you walk?

Anyway, you win the coveted "Donkey of the Month" award! Congratulations!

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Again, people train everyday these days from movie stars to professional weight lifters. Tobey Macguire trained 6 days a week for the part of Spiderman... Stallone trained 5 hours in several split workouts a day in Rocky III. I don't know that Bruce Lee weight trained everyday, or on and off but his workout schedule doesn't seem too overtly strenuous by today's standards.

As for me, I don't use any sort of supplement other lots of water. Believe me, 300 lbs can be achieved by most average guys. I train for strength, the muscles can follow later.

Honestly, you just lack the intelligence to properly insult me Bri... It's also a lack of confidence in what you write. Derogatory remarks are so redundant on the net that they are so dead useless... But, go ahead and continue with your effortless insults while I expose you for the joke you are.

[terry]

I saw an interview of Arnold Schwarzenegger on TV. He admitted that he took steroids during his competition days and that he regretted it. He also said that he would discourage anybody from taking them.

What wasn't discussed was how prolonged his use was. But given the relationship between steroid abuse and heart disease it may not surprising that he recently had quadruple bypass surgery.

T

[retired]

Bri, you wanna go for a job as one of those anger management people, that could be quite funny.

[Thai Bri]

Personally I manage my anger very well. By unleashing it! Works a treat.

[Disciple]

I thought Arnold Schwarzenneger had one of his heart valves replaced. This would have been consistent with some of the deaths of prowrestlers dying of heart failure after years of heavy steroid use.

As far as lifting weights every day, it all depends on how much you do at each session. The average guy cannot lift twice a day for an hour to an hour and a half at each session. He will overtrain. Most well known bodybuilders can do this because of the steroid use, which greatly enhances recoverability. Additionally, even they do this only in the phase right before a major competition, not in a mass building phase. No one, and I repeat no one can attain the size of some of these guys naturally. If a naturally big guy works out hard and eats right, he may look very fit, strong and athletic, or maybe like someone in those strongest man competitions. He will never look like a Ronnie Coleman though. Take a look at the best natural bodybuilding competitions. The competitors are big and cut, but nowhere close to the size of the pros. I am not condoning steroid use, just offering an explanation.

[terry]

Well, I'm gonna have to disagree with some of the people here. I think it is possible to lift weights every day without adverse effects. So, here's the qualification to that statement that makes it plausible: Your program design has to be good with a lot of periodization and rotation of exercises.

Let's just say you have a weight training regimen that looks like the following:

Monday: Max Effort--Heavy bench & pushing day
Tuesday: Circuit training (light & easy but crank on the situps)
Wednesday: Max Effort--Heavy deadlift & pulling day
Thursday: Dynamic bench & pushing day (70% effort and speed work)
Friday: Dynamic (70%) deadlift & pulling
Saturday: Adv. Circuit, hand strengthening
Sunday: Max Effort--Heavy squat day

The above workout is pretty much what a competition level power lifter would do (some won't do the circuit work unless they're cutting weight). Would this be good for a martial artist? Well, it would use up a lot of energy, so you may have to go mellow on the martial arts in order to get enough recovery time. But the weight routine by itself wouldn't kill you.

Advanced guys will go lower on dynamic days on core lifts, more like 50%. Beginners and intermediates will start higher, more like about 70%. BTW, circuit training should be as hard as a Muay Thai class. Max effort days means you're working hard enough to pass up & throw up from the exertion.

T

[Thai Bri]

That's hardly relevant. Of course you can "train every day" if you hav so many easy days. I can train 100 times a day, every day. As long as I don't push myself.

[jiyasa]

actually bruce lee used low reps high weight not high reps low weight

[terry]

Br Thai,

You appear to be rather quick to condemn what you don't fully understand, so I'm not sure whether I should dignify that last post of yours with a response. I went back and edited the previous post to specify a more beginners level of exertion on dynamic days, 70% rather than a 50% level appropriate for more advanced people.

Re: Dynamic training. Teaching your body to lift a 300 lb weight with the same explosiveness that you use to lift a 600 lb weight is a primary method for building speed and explosiveness. If I charged you $100 would you listen more carefully? I paid much more than that to acquire this info.

Why don't you make a positive contribution for a change and suggest what you would do? Perhaps it is at this point that I need to remind you that the intent of this forum is to have constructive discussion, son.

[Jowan]

Re:

Look, lets just stop arguing with each other and just exchange information in a fun and controled environment.

ok?
-Jowan-

[retired]

Bri's an expert in argue-mechanics you know!!!!, but read between most of the crap & you will be enlightened my friend, for he is a wise old man.

[Jowan]

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One of my posts says MOved- next to it, what does this mean? i aint got any replys so maybe they deleted it...
Jowan

[Tom Yum]

You can weight train every day provided you are working different body parts every day, but I don't know about 2-3 x a day...I guess its possible w strong supplements.

[Paul Wilson]

Re: Bruce Lee's Size.

Originally posted by Jowan
I asked this question on a few other forums but got no actual scientific reply-
Why was Bruce Lee so light?
At the time of Enter The Dragon being filmed he was 125 Lbs.
He did a lot of weight circuit training every day, every 2 days he did a bodybuilding routine for half an hour, not to mention every day he would train his arms for trapping and pulling, using weights- even after this his biceps were small, though his upper forearm musculature was quite large.
I know he had very little fat, but there are others with little fat, that are larger than him, and do less work than him.
Some people have said it's because of his metabolism. Metabolism burns fat quickly as i understand it, it does not burn muscle or stop muscles from growing.
he also took protein shakes often.
it boggles my mind!
Does anyone have an actual scientific answer why he was so small?
-Jowan-

You say others had bigger muscles than him and had hardly any fat. Well that may be because they bulked up (got fat) and got ripped (got toned) and lost that fat and that is why this guy had bigger muscles.

Also. Bruce found a way to build strength, and not loss speed. He did high reps and a small weight to do this. So he had strength but not the mass.

Strength isn't always mass.

You also have to look at Bruce may of been training in a Catabolic state so when he is training weight training or Cardiovascular he would of been eating he's own muscle.

Either way. Bruce was a fighter. A legend.
An example.
And he would kick yours and mien ase easily.

[Tom Yum]

Mass is not allways strength. And strength is not allways speed. Speed however is an element of power.

That's why large fighters hit hard, but slower than lighter fighters. Remember the Ruiz vs Jones Jr bout? The Ruiz supporters joked that Jones Jr was a little man with no punch -

The outcome of the bout was captured best in a photo on ESPN boxing. Ruiz is throwing a hammering right cross while Jones Jr is slipping and connecting with an uppercut. In the still photo, Ruiz's nose is crushed and blood is flying toward the camera.

Don't know if any of you guys have sparred with pro lightweight/welterweigth fighters in standup? They are EXTREMELY quick and hit very hard despite giving up muscular weight to larger, less experienced fighters.