Kicks in general?

[seeker]

Kick to the "tip of the liver" is pretty effective. I´ve experienced its harsh effects when sparring. You just have to be pretty accurate to hit the right spot.

[Roland]

Originally posted by seeker
Kick to the "tip of the liver" is pretty effective. I´ve experienced its harsh effects when sparring. You just have to be pretty accurate to hit the right spot.

Yeah, I got hit with a "coup de foie" once when sparring in Boxe Francaise - it hurt quite a bit.

[JKDfreak]

I know what you mean Roland!!!!
A prefect example is in th K-1. Look at Mr.Perfect (Ernesto Hoost),he loves to kick/punch his opponent in the liver and he's so precise that he ends the fight in the 1st round.

[nyyankee]

no kick above the groin is necessary in a street fight. why would you use so much energy and time to bring your leg all the way to someones head when breaking their ankle or knee is much more effective. as stated before in this thread don't kick to the head unless you are standing over them on the ground, and whats the point of that?

oh and dude i wouldn't say you need to bulk up, i hate sparring with really thin people. their fast, they strikes sting real bad. work on strengthening bones and just a little definition. JKD is a great art but i don't know if it's ideal as a first art. As bruce planned it freed me from wing chun structure but i think i benefited from still having that rigid refined training. Hopefully your sifu starts very basic. good luck and peace!

[Cadden]

Kicks are best used below the waistline, and as stance disuptors. If you are kicking too high you are exposing your groin, your balance is compromised, and more often than not you telegraph far too much. Straight, linear kicks to the knees and shins work wonders.

Muay Thai and Ving Tsun, I believe, have the most effective kicks, both of them being exclusively low and quick.

[M@T]

Originally posted by fullcircle
Depends on the situation. "I would do this, I would do that" is crap. No one knows how a fight is going to go down.

This isn't strictly true. You never know what your opponent is going to do AFTER the fight has started but before its started then you have your pick of whatever you want to hit them with.

Firstly, i'm alert and ready for trouble at all times. A few shitty experiences in the street have made me that way. I've had enough fights to know when someone might kick off so you always get the first hit in.

I just avoid trouble completely but i'm still ready for it coz you never know who you're gonna meet. I've had people ask me what i'm staring at from across a really wide street then cross it just to get to me (yes, he was a complete twat) so avoiding trouble totally can be hard with nobs like him around.

[M@T]

As for kicks, then kicking high is a bit of a no no in the street. Kicking to the waist is about as high as i'd go unless the bloke was really knackered, I wasnt and he kept dropping his guard, then i'd consider a roundhouse to the jaw or temple but certainly not early on.

I put someone on the floor with a roundhouse to the waist last week so kicking higher than the knee can work but I probably threw about 10 or more similar kicks to the same area during the fight which had little effect on him so its not a fool proof kick.

I'd advise a good hard front snap kick to the bollox. No matter who your fighting or how hard they are, land one of those and your well on your way to winning.

Other than that, kicking underneath or to the side of the kneecap can end a fight if you manage to pop it out the socket.

If they get into a stance a put a leg forward then get into the opposite stance and throw a power roundhouse to the inside of the kneecap trying to push it out the socket and away from the leg.

If they dont get into a stance and stand with both legs together then they're fools coz any decent blow will knock them over coz they wont be able to absorb the force of it through their back leg. In this position i'd probably go for a straight punch to the jaw. They'll almost certainly hit the deck at which point you kick them silly.

Then RUN

[Pr0Deus]

The only kick i would use in the streets is a low muay thai kick aimed about 4-5cm over the knee, and mostly as an preemptive attack. i find it difficult to do a low kick when the target i to close to me..

a friend ( he had only trained karate for about 3 months ) of mine diden`t belive that it could be any effective and he agreed to let me do a "low powered" low muay thai kick on him. when i hit him he fell to the floor and diden`t come upp again in about 3 mins or something. And thats plenty of time to run away or kick him.

why do people always insist on bringing the limb that is longest away upp to the head?


excuse my bad English.

[Cadden]

In many Ving Tsun and Muay Thai (and indeed in other low kicking arts) comes the saying "you kick my head, I punch your foot".

[jules]

It all depends on the person. Look at what people used to say about MMA matches.. "Never kick" then it became "never high kick".. Well we do see people getting KTFO with high kicks from time to time. It's all about being able to use it correctly and recognizing when to use it.

[Acitic]

I don't know if you do sparring inTKD or not.... but in my TKD club we spar for ten minutes each class..... based on that i believe that kicking is essential against untrained fighters and trained fighters...... cause if you don't use your range then they will use there to stop your punchs.... a lunge kick is a great way to close a gap fast..... if u don't understand what a lunge kick is u can always further email me and i will explain nightraven56@hotmail.com

Peace all

[Acitic]

Originally posted by Cadden
In many Ving Tsun and Muay Thai (and indeed in other low kicking arts) comes the saying "you kick my head, I punch your foot".

I think that is a stupid saying do to the fact the head is a vital point for processing and living..... you can't think straight if you take a round house kick to the head from a trained fighter...... on the other hand u can attack my foot all u want if i happen to have a shoe on it won't do much and the foot u can live without

[nyyankee]

i never heard that stupid saying and I study. True the head is vital, so why not go at the eyes with hands. and what ever happened to a good old fashioned nose breaking cenetrline punch. still does the trick and doesn't expose your groin like a kick

[Acitic]

well your groin being open for attack is only in certain kicks.... all the kicks taught in karate and TKD i can only really think of one kick that would leave you open and that would be a front snap kick or straight kick, and u r taught were your hands r to defend the other kick your leg is suppose to be straight and the only thing that can attack your groin is a side attacker. but when u r punching is your body not open for a groin kick or knee?? A fighter trained for kicking at high level is taught not to keep the leg up and to kick with speed, and besides that would go back to the exact same stance as before

[Dr Jack]

I like MT kicks

I really think a well timed MT roundhouse to the waist or below can be a devastating technique. Nothing wrong with a straightlead to the face , but it is all up to the technician and how comfortable he is with his tools.

Standup techniques are not a replacement for grappling/takedown /groudfighting skills as you never know when you will go down. I think anyone who say's kicking is not effective has never been on the receiving end of MT kicks!

Just MHO.

Jack