This is quite funny...

[Great Sage]

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/bookSearch/isbnInquiry.asp?sourceid=00394776246718058885&ISBN=0967015510&bfdate=09-17-2003+17:20:44

Is JKD so insecure that it has developed specific techniques to counter BJJ? I've heard of learning grappling techniques to enhance one's inadequacies, but this is quite funny...

[platinum_angel]

see why would you need that book. just take Bjj or Gjj and learn how to counter them yourself.

[dfissionr]

Is JKD so insecure? I don't really think that would be the question. It's more if the author is just trying to cash in on the JKD/Bruce Lee stuff. People miss the whole point of JKD frequently and it's usually those people that write these books.

[IPON]

My knee jerk response to teh thread was ..... "well that's not being insecure...it's is actually smart to stregthen your weaknesses"

Then I read:

Jeet Kune Do Ground fighting is where we take the base of Brazilian jiu-jitsu and add all the nasty, illegal things that Brazilian jiu-jitsu fighters don't include because of their sport. Designed for self-preservation, we add locking techniques, small joint manipulation, pressure points, and eye jabs to the groundfighting range. This is from a jeet kune do instructors point of view.



Yeah

Corny, I don't study BJJ but any jujutsu stylist much less BJJ knows all of this and adding guaging...oh I see pass the gaurd with bil gee

and he will amke money off of others ignorance....damn wish I thought of it.

[brokenelbow]

And what's a book on JKDs answer to BJJ without the usual picture of grappling master Bruce Lee on the cover.

[swan104]

I could be wrong, but I bet the contents of this book will cover BJJ with a bit of biting, eye poking etc.

[Great Sage]

Most people have a misconception about grappling... A lot of people figure they can learn a few BJJ techniques, then apply their own techniques and that should be enough... Not so, against an experienced grappler.

Grappling, like any art, takes a lot of time to become proficient in... If these JKD people were serious about understanding grappling, they would be well-served to join a gym and learn just like everyone else. Picking up a few techniques here and there isn't going to thwart any grappler.

For instance, if you learned a few boxing combos and punches, then stepped into the ring against a veteran... You're still toast.

[Nutz]

I think the customer reviews on the books say it best. Basically, if you're new to grappling the book presents common situations well enough to act as a primer. It also points out elements that should be focused on for the street and not the sport.

Is it the be-all-end-all of grappling? Of course not. In martial arts there isn't any such thing. Do I think its a corny book and cheap plot to score some quick cash? Yeah, I do.

[akja]

Originally posted by Great Sage
Most people have a misconception about grappling... A lot of people figure they can learn a few BJJ techniques, then apply their own techniques and that should be enough... Not so, against an experienced grappler.

Grappling, like any art, takes a lot of time to become proficient in... If these JKD people were serious about understanding grappling, they would be well-served to join a gym and learn just like everyone else. Picking up a few techniques here and there isn't going to thwart any grappler.

For instance, if you learned a few boxing combos and punches, then stepped into the ring against a veteran... You're still toast.

I could of sworn that it wasn't that long ago that you were claiming JKD?

Now you're slamming it. I have to tell you that I teach my students to do just that, to "beat" the experienced grappler. Not at his game but at "our" game. If you let him control the fight, then yes the "experience" will prevail.

But what YOU are missing is that "most good" JKD'ers do spend considerable amounts of time in BJJ because it is the most effient way to "understand" the ground game.

Anyone that spends a a few months or a year hear and there is not a JKD'er and I think thats you're impression is. Tell me if I'm wrong but if you've seen the real JKD then YOU know that you're wrong.

That guys book may be a scam but what art does not have low life scummy trolls?

[Great Sage]

Originally posted by akja
[B]I could of sworn that it wasn't that long ago that you were claiming JKD? /B]

No, I NEVER said I belonged to a JKD camp. I DID say that conceptually what I do is similar to JKD. At least I agree on this idea—”take what is useful and develop from there.”

Originally posted by akja
Now you're slamming it. I have to tell you that I teach my students to do just that, to "beat" the experienced grappler. Not at his game but at "our" game. If you let him control the fight, then yes the "experience" will prevail.

I’m not slamming JKD, I’m slamming this idea that one can learn a few BJJ techniques and hope to defeat an expert. What you teach your students is your business... In fact, I agree with you. It’s advisable to play your game, although that’s not always an option.

Originally posted by akja
But what YOU are missing is that "most good" JKD'ers do spend considerable amounts of time in BJJ because it is the most effient way to "understand" the ground game.

Anyone that spends a a few months or a year hear and there is not a JKD'er and I think thats you're impression is. Tell me if I'm wrong but if you've seen the real JKD then YOU know that you're wrong.

That guys book may be a scam but what art does not have low life scummy trolls?

No, that’s not my impression of JKD guys. When I think of JKD guys, Paul Vunak is the first person that comes to mind because my kickboxing instructor trained extensively with him.

My point is that if this book is any indication of JKD, then it’s an insecure message.

[akja]

Originally posted by Great Sage


No, I NEVER said I belonged to a JKD camp. I DID say that conceptually what I do is similar to JKD. At least I agree on this idea—”take what is useful and develop from there.”



I’m not slamming JKD, I’m slamming this idea that one can learn a few BJJ techniques and hope to defeat an expert. What you teach your students is your business... In fact, I agree with you. It’s advisable to play your game, although that’s not always an option.



No, that’s not my impression of JKD guys. When I think of JKD guys, Paul Vunak is the first person that comes to mind because my kickboxing instructor trained extensively with him.

My point is that if this book is any indication of JKD, then it’s an insecure message.

Sage, you are mature for your age and I know you get flamed a lot. Thats not what I'm about. Just remember there is NO single art that is the ultimate art. Everything has a counter in all arts and all arts have flaws. Thats why JKD is "tailored" to the individual.

My students are more fortunate than I was because I teach them the "weaknesses" of all the arts that I've been exposed to and also the "weaknesses" in what I teach. But there has to be a balance in our training, a tradeoff for our experiences. If we are not expecting to get hit, then we shouldn't be fighting.

[Great Sage]

Originally posted by akja
Sage, you are mature for your age and I know you get flamed a lot. Thats not what I'm about. Just remember there is NO single art that is the ultimate art. Everything has a counter in all arts and all arts have flaws. Thats why JKD is "tailored" to the individual.

Yes, I know I'm a fireball at times... And I completely agree with you regarding the ultimate art—there is none. I'm just wondering if the guy who's writing this book is well-regarded in JKD circles...

Originally posted by akja
My students are more fortunate than I was because I teach them the "weaknesses" of all the arts that I've been exposed to and also the "weaknesses" in what I teach. But there has to be a balance in our training, a tradeoff for our experiences. If we are not expecting to get hit, then we shouldn't be fighting.

Your students are lucky to have such an instructor. Myself, I don't necessarily train for fighting, because I'm married now with a kid and I don't see myself getting into any fights. I do train for sport and self-defense, in the event that I'm forced to defend myself. Anyway, thanks for your opinion... Take care.