Wong Jak Man kicked Brue's ass.

[m.artist]

The problem is, I think Bruce didnot want any help he was too proud of a man. In fact I was suprised when I saw the movie Enter the Dragon, Bruce physique look bad to me. He lost a lot of weight, his chick bone is too visible. Compare his earlier physique in movies like The Way of the Dragon & Fist of Fury he looks very healthy.

Even with Bruce success in Hong Kong he was still not satisfied he seem to have an inside grude of vendictiveness against hollywood.

And his unending quest to try to discover the perfect fighting system, which he failed to realize is, that there is none. This would eventually led to his own death.

well u have to remember
he was acting 24/7
not getting paid a whole lot, and in chinese tradition the wife doesn't work. but because house wasn't being paid, car wasn't being pair, linda had to find a job, and that also contributed to the pain by hurting bruces pride. yip man dieing and his dad dieing didn't help either.
there were some tough times for bruce

[MatthewAlphonso]

a bit late in replying, but oh well

the report that I believe can be found at http://www.kungfu.net/brucelee.html. it clearly states that Man and Lee decided that it was a draw and not to speak about it because it would just povide animosity between them. Furthermore Man taught Gung Fu to the Americans and had intentions of stopping Lee from teaching it to us.

[Si Williams]

excusse my ignorance but is Wang Jak Man that long haired guy from 'Dragon - bruce lee story?, the one that beat him 'i beat him before so i shall beat him again' guy? Apparently that supposed fight did happen but i heard Bruce kicked his candy ass, the fight was mostly Bruce chasing him around the areana waiting to pound him. i've never head stories of the other guy winning - could this really be true?

im not saying in didn't happen but who was there to give evidence of this fight, real concrete fact. Please explain more about this Wang Jak Man son of a gun.

[EyeOfTheTiger]

I am one of the biggest fans of Bruce Lee,and i also respect Wong Jakman.But if you read the story of one of jakman's students he says that after the fight,bruce,wong,and a witness of the fight(forgot his name) all agreed not to tell anyone who had won or lost.It also says that a few days after the fight,Bruce had announced he had defeated an unknown fighter(referring to wong).Also Dragon:Bruce Lee story was way off from Bruce's real life,wanna know the truth then read Linda's Book.Wong did not paralyze bruce nor was he a bit over weight like that actor...but maybe he did have long hair..

Wong is also not a racist,he has trained some of the greatest MAist during his time that were not just chinese.
Another few things that wong thought was jkd was the reason why bruce had died(which i highly doubt).And lastly,he thought Bruce talked to much.

[m.artist]

Bruce won, get over it already.
the only thing bruce did that was dishonorable was that he agreed not to talk about it, and did. that's it
other than that, wong jak man needs to shut the hell up
bruce whooped his ass, hands down, pure and simple

[Bruce(JKD)Lee]

your so full of shit, tell me when was the last time you sat down with Ted Wong and Dan Insontano and discussed the topic.

Is it the Cool new Trend to Hate on Bruce Lee Nowadays?

i agree is it a trend to hate on bruce lee? on here i see polls like dont worship Bruce Lee and hate him and people like saying he wasnt a god or an alien aher retards he wasnt god he was just one of the best martial artists ever
and making fun of a dead martial artist is kinda pitiful of people R.I.P

[EyeOfTheTiger]

I dont like to think about who won or lost,all i would think about they were the greatest martial artists during that time.

[Norm Lee]

Wong Jak Man where are you?

I think the altercation between Bruce and Wong Jak Man has become bigger than it ever really was.
For Mr Man! to state that he fought to a draw is silly and he's just trying to save face, I don't see that it lasted more than a couple of minutes anyway, after this incident Bruce wrote that he thought you should train bearing in mind that real fights don't last more than 15 minutes, it's just to easy for Mr Man to use the notoriety of the man he got beat by to help promote his school but where is he really in the martial arts world...a beaten man.

Mr Man got kicked around, simple:
I read silly things like: He had no bruises on his face!
Of course he was running away the bruises are on the back of his head under his hair.

Why then did Bruce not then close his school after the fight if he lost like some think?
Because he didn't lose.

Wong Jak Man would now use Chi power!
That never does anything, has anybody ever won a UFC or any other tournament with chi power? Exactly it's B.S.
get real and accept the facts.

[MatthewAlphonso]

I think the altercation between Bruce and Wong Jak Man has become bigger than it ever really was.
For Mr Man! to state that he fought to a draw is silly and he's just trying to save face, I don't see that it lasted more than a couple of minutes anyway, after this incident Bruce wrote that he thought you should train bearing in mind that real fights don't last more than 15 minutes, it's just to easy for Mr Man to use the notoriety of the man he got beat by to help promote his school but where is he really in the martial arts world...a beaten man..

Why would it be silly to think that they fought to a draw?

Mr Man got kicked around, simple:
I read silly things like: He had no bruises on his face!
Of course he was running away the bruises are on the back of his head under his hair...

What kind of idiot would turn their back on an attacker, Jack Man was definitly no idiot, he was also quite the competent martial artist

Why then did Bruce not then close his school after the fight if he lost like some think?
Because he didn't lose.

The fight was not over whether or not Lee could teach foreigners or even teach at all. (Jack Man was quite well known for teaching the Americans, so were several other schools) The fight was a challenge match, Lee was cocky and thought that a good way to promote his school was to beat an established martial artist.

[m.artist]

Why would it be silly to think that they fought to a draw?




What kind of idiot would turn their back on an attacker, Jack Man was definitly no idiot, he was also quite the competent martial artist



The fight was not over whether or not Lee could teach foreigners or even teach at all. (Jack Man was quite well known for teaching the Americans, so were several other schools) The fight was a challenge match, Lee was cocky and thought that a good way to promote his school was to beat an established martial artist.

But if you are overwhelmed and the instinct for survival kicks in, people run. He didn't want to get beat up(in the nicest way possible) i mean, who likes to get hit? he didn't want that pain, so you do what every human instinct tells you to do, and that's run
he lost, therefore he ran

[IPON]

you should train bearing in mind that real fights don't last more than 15 minutes

15 minutes is more like an aerobics class not a fight

[MatthewAlphonso]

But if you are overwhelmed and the instinct for survival kicks in, people run. He didn't want to get beat up(in the nicest way possible) i mean, who likes to get hit? he didn't want that pain, so you do what every human instinct tells you to do, and that's run
he lost, therefore he ran

would you run and turn your back on someone who was trying to kick your ass?
I think if you know much about combat you wouldn't.
Oh, and you never did answer my other questions.

[Broadsword2004]

i agree is it a trend to hate on bruce lee? on here i see polls like dont worship Bruce Lee and hate him and people like saying he wasnt a god or an alien aher retards he wasnt god he was just one of the best martial artists ever
and making fun of a dead martial artist is kinda pitiful of people R.I.P

I think THAT is why so many people dish on him, cuz he never was in a whole lot of fights, but he was a great athlete. But he never really proved himself as a "great" martial artist, just that he had great potential. He never fought professionally. And there are lots of other martial artists out there with the same speed, strength, and skill Bruce had, they just aren't famous.

You can be great at underwater tactics, have great survival skills, be a fantastic shooter, known the technical specs to like every weapons system out there, be a great fighter, etc.....but if you've never been in combat, then you aren't a great soldier. You are potentially a great soldier, but you aren't a great soldier.

Same with Bruce. He had great skills, but he never really truly used them; fighting has a mental component as well. Bruce talked in interviews like he was a veteran of hard-core fighting, yet he was in only like one real fight in his life, aside from maybe some street brawling before.

And thus, because of that, a lot of people take offense to him being called a "great martial artist." He did bring martial arts into mainstream America a lot more though. And Europe too.

[Norm Lee]

The reason I think they didn't fight to a draw is that (as much as I liked Bruce Lee) I think he was egotistical and a draw wuld be beneath him actually doing him and his credibility no good at all. I think for him it was all or nothing. What would a draw achieve? maybe ok for me or you but we're not ( well I don't think we are ) that confident and positive we don't have to win but he did.
Also the school was at stake and he wanted to show the Chinese community he would do it his way.
Another point about real fights lasting 15 minutes, time them they're damn quick I'm not talking ring/cage fights with rules and rounds here.

[MatthewAlphonso]

you have to understadn though, that the fight wasn't about who he could or couldn't teach. Most of the schools then had an open door policy (I huess that could be considered a pun). sure there was some prejudice against the Americans (but that is to be expected), but even Wong taught the white people. the fight (in my opinion, as stated before) was a challenge match so that Lee could promote his school. A draw was the only logical choice for Lee and Wong to make because otherwise they would just beat each-other(SP?) bloody. as for Lee's pride in the case of a draw? that could easily be remedied by agreeing not to talk about the match in public (which they did, and Lee broke the agreement)