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Ok, in the two days that I have been on this site, I have probably seen at least 6 dozen posts about how TKD is the most ineffective martial art. Uh, I find this somewhat amusing, and I am wanting some feed back about how many of you have actually watched black belts spar?
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I think it all depends on how much credability the instructor(s) has. -
Unfortunatley the vast popularity of Taekwon do in the west has opened the style up for many many mcdojo's hence much of the opinions seen here - these opinions are based largely in real problems that are apparant due to the watering down of the system.
Also it seems that most taekwondo instructors only seem to be 1st or 2nd dans, many with little fighting skill but only tappy tappy kicking techniques. I have sparred and visited a few taekwondo schools and inspite of the many 'breaking' demos that these guys show, their combat efficiency and real fighting power have been lacking somewhat.
The whole, tappy tappy point sparring does nothing for traditional Taekwon do's real fighting skill.
Also the emphasis on high kicking in the style leaves the exponent very suseptable to throws, takedowns etc. When on the ground most Taekwon do guys i have met are helpless allowing armbars and chokes to be applied with relative ease.
The style seems to based around stop start fighting application (maybe not in sparring but when showing step sparring and technique application). You see alot of 'opponent punches, i block, then i counter' things.' this is not fluid or effective enough to stand up against most other styles that emphecise a 'opponent punches, as he does i block and strike simultaniously' mindset.
Opponents in taekwondo application tend to perform a technique then stand there while the responce is performed, this is not real life. this is kata.
although i am sure that there are many tough reputable taekwon do practitioners out there - there are also many that could not fight their way out of a paper bag. in my experience.
Kindest Regards
ChrisComment
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Chris is entirely correct. I'm sure there are many good Tae Kwon Do schools out there that train their students hard and teach how to use the TKD techniques effectively in a self defense situations. However, the MAJORITY of TKD schools here in America have watered down their curriculums in order to attract the greatest amount of students possible and generate more income. This leads to the creation of a McDojo, where you see 10 year olds walking around with black belts and out of shape housewives instructing classes. TKD is not the only style that has fallen victim to the this McDojo syndrome as I'm sure you're aware. Many Karate and Kung Fu schools have gone this way as well.Comment
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Why don't TKD guys just defend their art in Kickboxing and MMA matches? People will respect TKD when they have a champion K-1 Kickboxer.... after all, TKD is all about kicking....Comment
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I have. The quality boils down to the school and individual. TKD has become so popular and watered down that its hard to keep quality. It also depends on how you train. I think a TKD guy who fights in open style or amateur kickboxing fights is a better fighter than TKD rules.Originally posted by rkcann01
The standard of stand up is in K-1. Genki Sudo fought against a Korean silver medalist in K-1 and won via Ko in the beginning of the 2nd round. The TKD guy had good speed in his kicks, but didn't have good footwork or punches.Comment
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my old tkd instructor was as tough as they come, a little korean guy who would wipe the floor with anyone i can think of.
then again i have seen other tkd instructors who would have trouble with a 15 yr old kid.
so yeah, what the guys have said in their responses, is spot on.
its not really the style that is ineffective, its some(or most) of the instructors.Comment
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The mental image that I got from that was hilariouse.This leads to the creation of a McDojo, where you see 10 year olds walking around with black belts and out of shape housewives instructing classes.Comment
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I haven't been in Martial Arts for long, but I consider myself fairly intelligent so I decided to read up on different 'arts' and then go and check out some of the schools. The Tae Kwon Do school I visited was the only one where they tried to get me to sign a lengthy contract. It 'felt' horrible, worse than I've been treated at car dealers. What was funny though was the fact that it was that same generic finance paperwork that car dealers use. The thing also that concerned me was the ROY G BIV (and then some) belt structure and the fact that there are these little 10 year (at least they look 10 to me) old kids that are black belts. Now perhaps they should have there black belts if they know all the moves and have their katas down, but what's the use of a black belt when in real life a 'man' would really hurt the kid. Conversely, one ju-jitsu (japanese) dojo said that they don't care how long you come there, if he thinks someone could kick your ass your not getting a black belt. Sorry for going off on a tangent, but basically I smelled fries and tried to order a shake at the Korean place
My 2 cents.
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There, you've had some intelligent, well thought out posts. So grow up and find a fighting art.Originally posted by rkcann01Comment
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I did some searching on the Internet and found a TKD site with some self defense applications.
The homepage is http://www.wustaekwondo.com/home/home.htm. I've selected some pages of this website which I thought were the best out of this particular site. I'm not saying whether TKD is good for self defense or not, I just picked something out of this school which I thought were okay for TKD.
The demo video clips page is: http://www.wustaekwondo.com/demo/demo-video.htm
The ones I thought that were good out of this website:
The self defense techniques resemble the ones used in Hapkido. Anyways, tell me what you guys think.Comment
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In my area there are a lot of TKD schools. They don't even market themselves as really teaching people to fight (at least not seriously). They market disipline and confidence for kids and fitness benefits and breaking pieces of wood. Their guys have a rep of always getting creamed in local and regional MA competitions.
Sorry to tell you this but.... "Pretty is as pretty does" - Forrest GumpComment
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A new TKD school has opened up where I live. My friend, and a TKD school owner/instructor, went by to see what they were all about. What he found was a middle age HOUSEWIFE who is overweight, and a 3rd degree blackbelt in ATA TKD. Her husband also teaches there and he wasnt around for my friend to talk to. From what I've read about ATA online is that each school has to follow the ATA rules and is ran by the ATA. ATA states on their website that they incorporate grappling and other aspects to be a "complete martial artist." My friend told them that he had a BJJ blue belt at his school that did some grappling classes, and was interested in what their grappling background was. Fatass stated that it was taught in the ATA and developed by the ATA. Shyeah.....
Basicly this ATA has all internal tournaments. My friend invited them to do a tournament with his kids, and they declined.. for now. I'm going to go in and try to do some grappling with the instructor. Any bets on how long before he submits?
I will keep you updated on the lard-ass TKD school.
Oh, the other TKD school that was here, a TRUE mcdojo. This guy didnt even give paperwork with the belts, he finally shut down after 8 months of my friends school opening.
Yeah, I still think TKD alone sucks.
I noticed the guy who started this thread doesnt respond to anything. I wonder if he's a fat ass too?Comment
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B;ade, thanks for the clips. I didn't look at them all and have no interest in breaking etc.
I looked at some of the knife defence, and did think that the guys moved well with speed. But the aggressors just stood still. And one demo showed a so called attacker stepping forwards to attack, in the most telegraphed and unrealistic way.
Some of these people looked as though they could fight though, which is pretty good. Not all TKD is fat housewives and flicky kicky.Comment
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You must be a real BADASS mjohnson.Originally posted by mjohnson
A Martial Artist with honor and shows respect to others you're not.
If it's not for you then just leave it.
Try to express what you think in a tone that suits Martial Artists and not like people with psychological complexes.
You don't become better by belittling others and putting down their Art the way you do. You are just becoming a pathetic little child.Comment
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