Tae Kwon Do, Stop knocking It!!!

[Spookey]

Dear Most of you,

I am proud to understand (from a fighting TKD Oh Do Kwan Military Background) that my TKD stands for Taekwon-Do, butmost of yours is in

t= they
k= know
d= tom (dick) and Harry

Taekwon-Do Oh Do Kwan, Jung Ahn Bon Kwan...Thank you Sgt. Major Kim, wherever you are!

Spookey
TAEKWON!

[Deadman2002]

Yeah ive trained under Mr.Tony Sewell 6th dan for 3 years while studying at university here in the UK. Hes undoubtedly awesome, built like a brick shithouse and can kick like a horse but is always very practical. He preaches conditoning of the fists and fingers as well as every other area of the body. I graduate soon though and will be heading back home and am rather worried that I will encounter some of these Mcdojo's and will lose my enthusiasm. I have already checked out some of the local clubs on the internet and some of the instructors are only 2nd dan, no disrespect intended. Basically im not looking forward to it but hopefully ill be pleasently surprised.

[Spookey]

Deadman2002

Dear Sir or Ma'am,

Might I inquire as to what pattern set you practice and or what organization yuo are a member of if applicable. I am trying to find out what you are used to...thats all!

TAEKWON!
SPookey

[MADDOG]

Hello,

I agree with the majority of individuals here on this forum that the concept of McDojo’s have been widely accepted by a vast majority of TKD schools. I also suggest that other arts have adopted this practice of style over substance. Lets add Kempo, Kenpo, Karate and many more to this list.

When I have a student or a fellow instructor who wishes to bash any art with out providing a degree on intelligent discussion – I recommend that they go a find the best player of that flawed style – challenge them to a fight in the streets – like the old days – fighting with out rules – a real fight – see who is right.

The problem with the above suggestion is the world is full of Paper Tigers.

We all know the type:
They are the individuals who are disrespectful to others, in a forum where there are no ramifications for there actions –
They are the individuals who have never been in a real street fight, a confrontation where you are fighting for your life. They classify a fight as a social event where you put on protective gear and play by rules. They once fought in high school or they fought at a semi-contact tournament.-
They are the individuals that bash another for their lack of realism but have never been shot at. They live in suburbia, and think they are a bad ass.-

Does TKD have its problems? –Yes.

Is TKD a complete art? – It once was and in certain independent Dojangs it still is.

Lets bitch with a purpose.

Ed Barton
An OLD American TKD MDK

[sirmattu]

How long is this topic going to go back and forth? TKD is practically useless! I studied it for 6 years, 6 years that i will NEVER get back. Effectiveness is the key, not what techniques work. Who gives a rats testicle, if a kick dose this or one step sparring?! TKD dose not cover anything that has to do with REAL self defense. In order for a SD system to work it need to cover ALL aspects of the self defense spectrum including...

Mental Prep./Emotional Control
Situational Awareness
Adrienal Stress Conditioning
Pre Fight Psychology
Concept Based Training(5 principles of physical retaliation)
Functional Kicking
Functional Hand striking
CQC(traps, elbows/knees, shredder)
Grappling/Ground Fighting
Functional Weapon Training
Unarmed defense againt weapons
Post Traumatic Stress
Legal/Moral Issues

And each of these has smaller topics that are needed to be covered. TKD only cover Kicking(non functional) punching, and some crappy CQC. Techniques like that dont mean jack if they are not based around the foundation of all the other stuff I said in the list. Thats why TKD is bull, as well as alot of other styles taught as self-defense. Regardless how great a MA is at stuff like TKD, they still only train in that way, their training always has ...
Preparation, Consent and Awarness...
NONE of which exists in a real violent encounter!
THATS why TKD dosnt work.

Never Sacrifice Functional Self Defense for the Sake of Tradition
-C-

ever think that maybe you just suck?

[sirmattu]

You have obviously done other arts.But to not know anything ealse and rely on TKD for self defence would be a mistake.

you're full of shit, ive used tkd many times in self-defence and its always worked

[Tom Yum]

you're full of shit, ive used tkd many times in self-defence and its always worked

The reason why it works is ironically the same reason why people diss it; throwing high fancy kicks.

The average Joe doesn't know how to react when you fake a front snap kick but turn it into a lead leg snap round kick to the jaw. That kick lacks 'power' but it doesn't lack in speed and snap; jaws can get broken by the sheer snap from that kick.

So, take some burly guy who doesn't know much about MA and has only been in a few fights and the average guy is your state's TKD champ in his weight class. The average guy will time side kicks at the big guys knees, thighs and ribs to keep him at kicking distance while wearing him down (ever try to throw a jab at a TKD guy and run into his side kick ).

The TKD guy (assuming he's good) will pick off the big guy just as a boxer picks off his shots - these kicks will be lightning quick and with enough snap or thrust to stagger.

If the TKD guy lands one spin kick, whether it be a spinning back kick to the abdomen or a spinning wheel kick to the head, you'll likely get KOd. He won't do it right away - might set it up very cleverly.

If the TKD practices at a McDojo and doesn't take his art seriously, he'll throw little flippy kicks and get stomped while trying to do so.

[Spookey]

TKD for Self Defense (offensive and defensive)!

Dear All,

As stated previously in relation to realistic combat, I have been doing professional security and personal protection for more than a few years now.
Primarily working as the "Head of Security" for large mid level entertainment events (700+ patrons) including: dances, concerts, and corporate events, as well as supplying personal protection for "at risk" clients, I have incountered my share of altercations.
Understand, nothing is foolproof! However, for the H2H aspects of my job, I have found TRADITIONAL TKD to fit the bill perfectly.

Ho Sin Sool = Self Defense...these are the aspects frequently left out of "modern" TKD. They include applications of striking techniques, releases, restraints (joint manipulation), and takedowns.

This is what TKD includes, not what should be added to it. Those instructors that suplement TKD with bjj, arnis, ect. are only making these editions to balance the omissions!

Taekwon-Do Oh Do Kwan...Kyung Ye!

Spookey

TAEKWON!

P.S. anyone interested, search phrase "blood on their boots"

[shasan]

from what i've seen, TKD is great for fighting in TKD tournaments.

But I haven't any traditional TKD guys in any of the no holds barred circuits, or K-1 for that matter. I think there are a couple in K-1, but I'm not sure how well they're doing.

This is what TKD includes, not what should be added to it. Those instructors that suplement TKD with bjj, arnis, ect. are only making these editions to balance the omissions!

this is exactly where people are confused, if you find it necessary to augment with Non-tkd stuff, it doesn't make the non-tkd stuff TKD just because a TKD guy is doing it. Furthermore, it proves everyone's point that TKD is incomplete, as almost any traditional martial art on its own.

[pstevens]

News Flash!!!

Here's a news flash for all the bickering!

TKD works in a TKD environment, karate works in a karate environment, BJJ works in a BJJ environment.... NONE of these work perfectly in the real world. NONE of these can dominate MMA on its own... Every BJJ, karate, TKD, mixed martial artist, etc... has cross-trained at one point or another, even Royce before he entered the first UFC.

So what does this mean? In a REAL fight, it depends on the circumstance (does he have a gun?), the individuals (is one guy a professional fighter and the other a wuss?) and the attributes of each person (size, stamina, strength, speed & skill). Kapeesh?!!!

[sherwinc]

you're full of shit, ive used tkd many times in self-defence and its always worked

Tae Kwon Do's 45 45 kick?????? Doesnt work on the street fights......

Tae Kwon Do's Insteap Jumping Spinning Back Trust Kick?????? Really works on the street fights......

[sherwinc]

Well sherwinc, its time to give the punch line; switch to Kung Fu.

and the only problem is..... i nearly know all of your fighting alphabets.....

but most of my fighting alphabets on which you are not familiar.......

Note:
I also hate Judo cause its a shit martial arts but i really do believe/convinced on their Judo FALLING TECHNIQUES, cause i almost frequently used this Judo Falling Techniques in most of my sparring........

a lesson for you:
absorb what is usefull, reject what is useless, add especially what is your own.....

for how many time did i say this to you, and still you dont get.....

if i am the Father and you are my Son, i will repeatedly slap your Ass with a stick in order for you to grow straight........

[Nothingness]

I think you should look more carefully at Judo . I believe you have only seen the petal and not the full blossom.

If you've seen the houw kun (tiger form) of NCK, you will also appreciate Judo.

[ipscshooter]

I also hate Judo cause its a shit martial arts but i really do believe/convinced on their Judo FALLING TECHNIQUES, cause i almost frequently used this Judo Falling Techniques in most of my sparring.....

Hey Sherwin, does that mean that when you're sparring, you frequently get knocked on your ass?

[Yaberdaber]

Tae Kwon Do's 45 45 kick?????? Doesnt work on the street fights......

Tae Kwon Do's Insteap Jumping Spinning Back Trust Kick?????? Really works on the street fights......

WHAT the....?!? sorry, but, I've never head of such long winded names. Kinda reminds me of those old kung fu movies where they have to describe their "animal" movements before they actually fight.
During my TKD experience, they always told us street fights end dirty, so we tend to use low shots instead of fancy spinning ones. Matter of fact, we only have 3 types of spinning kicks, of which 2 are only for street combat and only 1 I would recommend. No offence, sherwinc.