Tae Kwon Do, Stop knocking It!!!

[Nothingness]

I think he means Twieo Dwi Chagi, the jumping spinning back kick.

[Ikken Hisatsu]

"I also hate Judo cause its a shit martial arts but i really do believe/convinced on their Judo FALLING TECHNIQUES, cause i almost frequently used this Judo Falling Techniques in most of my sparring"

ok ill bite... why is it exactly that judo is "shit"? if you mean that it has no striking this is because it is designed to be trained alongside a striking art. although my guess is its because judoka and bjjers destroy crappy kung fu practitioners in all fighting events.

[MADDOG]

TKD philosophy was always to have your legs as proficient as your arms.

This practice allowed you to be a complete striking martial artist.

It is a shame that TKD has mutated into what it is today.

Judo is a very good art. When striking MA demonstrate self defense they actually revert to what judo was always about – GoShindo. Judo has strikes-locks-chokes and throws. If you observe today’s self defense seminars that are provided for Shotokan, many of them are really a Judo class in disguise. I should know, I just attended a self-defense seminar for a Shotokan off branch and the head instructor was taking his judo background and integrating it with his Shotokan students.

All art’s evolve over the years. It is just what they evolve into is the real question or concern.

All martial artists evolve over the years. It is just what they evolve into is the real question or concern.

Ed Barton
An Old American TKD MDK

[sirmattu]

TKD philosophy was always to have your legs as proficient as your arms.

This practice allowed you to be a complete striking martial artist.

It is a shame that TKD has mutated into what it is today.

Judo is a very good art. When striking MA demonstrate self defense they actually revert to what judo was always about – GoShindo. Judo has strikes-locks-chokes and throws. If you observe today’s self defense seminars that are provided for Shotokan, many of them are really a Judo class in disguise. I should know, I just attended a self-defense seminar for a Shotokan off branch and the head instructor was taking his judo background and integrating it with his Shotokan students.

All art’s evolve over the years. It is just what they evolve into is the real question or concern.

All martial artists evolve over the years. It is just what they evolve into is the real question or concern.

Ed Barton
An Old American TKD MDK

nicely put

[sherwinc]

I think you should look more carefully at Judo . I believe you have only seen the petal and not the full blossom.

If you've seen the houw kun (tiger form) of NCK, you will also appreciate Judo.

Tiger Form of NCK???? i did not reach that high levels.....

i remember my kungfu instructor said to us that:
if you compare Judo to TaiChiChuan...... Judo will usually LIFT his opponent thru his hips then smash it to the ground..... while TaiChiChuan will usually PUSH his opponent thru the ground instead of "liftings of Judo".......

what he means is, it is better to PUSH your opponent to the ground instead of LIFTING it......

like Wrestlers usually LIFT their opponents before they throw to the ground....

Note:
in Japanese Martial Arts, my instructor will prefer Japanese JuiJitSu rather than Judo, cause my instructor believe that in Japanese Martial Arts..... JuiJitSu is the most BRUTAL

[sherwinc]

Hey Sherwin, does that mean that when you're sparring, you frequently get knocked on your ass?

My KungFu classmates is not easy to deal...... i am the tallest of them all, my height is 5'9" but their body is more solid than me, and maybe my disadvantages is my balance.....

and remember that we 15 kungfu students knows ChiDianBun, but

8 out of 15 knows solid TaiChiChuan KungFu in 5 Families....
7 out of 15 knows solid AngKa KungFu....

15 students individual/unique kungfu art learned:
Student #1. WeiHuKun KungFu learned from ChiDianBun KungFu
Student #2. HapKunTo KungFu learned
Student #3. Iron Palm learned from NgoChoKun KungFu
Student #4. Chit Chiee Tong Long Kun KungFu
Student #5. AngKa KungFu and its unfinished Long Form Set of AngKa
Student #6. SamChien learned from NgoChoKun KungFu
Student #7. Southern Tong Long Kun KungFu
Student #8. Southern Saber (Weaponry Form)
Student #9. ChiDianBun's Level #2 14th up to 20th additional alphabets learned
Student #10. Northern Pole learned (Basics Only) sorry for him haw haw haw
Student #11. He only learn Qi-Kung (Chi Kung, Ki-Kung... its a non-fighting art)
Student #12. Advanced Iron Skin Training learned from AngKa KungFu
Student #13. its me, sherwinc, and i learned Hik TaiChiChuan Jian (Weaponry Form)
Student #14. Hing-E (Hsing-I Chuan KungFu)
Student #15. Pakua KungFu (my instructor sometimes called it Octagon TaiChi)

so you see????? each of us has an individual/unique KungFu art learned, and not allowed to share it to my fellow classmates the unique art learned....

my instructor teach his kungfu to his 15 students only, and nothing more.....

[jubaji]

My KungFu classmates is not easy to deal...... i am the tallest of them all, my height is 5'9" .....

And you are the tallest? Is this a children's class?

[sherwinc]

WHAT the....?!? sorry, but, I've never head of such long winded names. Kinda reminds me of those old kung fu movies where they have to describe their "animal" movements before they actually fight.
During my TKD experience, they always told us street fights end dirty, so we tend to use low shots instead of fancy spinning ones. Matter of fact, we only have 3 types of spinning kicks, of which 2 are only for street combat and only 1 I would recommend. No offence, sherwinc.

that is what they called here, since Tae Kwon Do is a very very popular here in the Philippines..... plenty of tae kwon do kicking variations, especially the plenty of kicking names of tae kwon do found in the book of He Ill Cho.....

maybe tae kwon do has plenty of sects and divisions......

[sherwinc]

And you are the tallest? Is this a children's class?

haw haw haw haw

most of my classmates are all 5'4"

we are Filipinos, right???????

[sherwinc]

"I also hate Judo cause its a shit martial arts but i really do believe/convinced on their Judo FALLING TECHNIQUES, cause i almost frequently used this Judo Falling Techniques in most of my sparring"

ok ill bite... why is it exactly that judo is "shit"? if you mean that it has no striking this is because it is designed to be trained alongside a striking art. although my guess is its because judoka and bjjers destroy crappy kung fu practitioners in all fighting events.

Japanese JuiJitSu is the best compare to Judo, Judo is the best compare to AiKiDo

[Tom Yum]

This has nothing to do with anything, but Fillipinos sure know how to throw a good party....

[Ikken Hisatsu]

strange, from what i remember after kanos students beat the crap out of japans best JJ fighters, judo has been considered the better art.... maybe I imagined that bit though?

anyway, not all judo throws are about lifting. in fact, I would say the majority of them are about breaking balance (all of them actually) and tripping or pushing, not lifting. depends on the situation. if I am fighting someone heavier and shorter than me, o goshi (hip throw) would not be my choice. however against a tall lanky opponent o goshi would be much more effective.

[Nothingness]

I don't mean to hijack the topic, but let me explain something about Judo .

Traditional Judo follows this: kusuzhi, tsukuri, kake. Balance-breaking, entering/positioning, throw execution. People often overlook the kusuzhi. In my opinion, it is the most important part of Judo's Nage waza (throwing tehniques). There are 8 directions of this balance breaking. So, it is not merely a lift. The lift is a result of opponent's balance being broken. After this, the tori (thrower) will position him/herself in a position so inconvenient to the uke ("throwee") so that he can't neither escape nor regain his/her balance. The kake is just the finishing .

Do you see this similarity to the main principle of sam chien?

[sherwinc]

strange, from what i remember after kanos students beat the crap out of japans best JJ fighters, judo has been considered the better art.... maybe I imagined that bit though?

anyway, not all judo throws are about lifting. in fact, I would say the majority of them are about breaking balance (all of them actually) and tripping or pushing, not lifting. depends on the situation. if I am fighting someone heavier and shorter than me, o goshi (hip throw) would not be my choice. however against a tall lanky opponent o goshi would be much more effective.

now i am convinved.....

and how about Western Wrestling?????? Submission Wrestling?????? cause they lift their opponent before throw to the ground.......

[Ikken Hisatsu]

i dont study wrestling so i could not say.