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If anyone wants a real chuckle, take a look at the South Pacific TKD Fedaration website. That's 5 years of my life that I'll never ge back. You see, in Australia, SPTKD is the largest single TKD organisation. Talk about McDojang. As far as I'm aware, it's a splinter faction of WTF, as Master John Ivanov is certified by the Kukkiwon, yet it's absolutely non-contact. Even BB's can't make contact with each other beyond the point of a light push or slap. There was one BB (black tip going for BB) who took 57 attempts at turning kick to break a single board. He was passed. Every one else who didn't get the same treatment was pissed.
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Quote- After I received my black belt Mr. Fu switched us over to GTF which was just a smaller version of ITF.
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I am currently practicing TKD in Toronto under a GTF school. I've been trying to find out for a while what it was and in the end just figured it was a Canadian branch of WTF. Mavis in your experience how is GTF different from other TKD organizations, I am just curious. (If anyone can give me the answer I would appreciate it if you could)
Sincerly,
Andrew VelocciComment
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just a quick note
every style has is respect and points of view.... some things in TKD i do not agree with but that is how they were tought and thats there style
the style i would chose if i could is NinJitsu or Kenpo (i think its Kenpo) becuz that is the style in wich i self tought myself without knowingComment
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11 years in TKD and you can't fight... Trust me, it's NOT the gym, otherwise the gym wouldn't be around anymore. Even if the gym is focused on point sparring, there would be some emphasis placed on strategy, technique and skills needed to score. This is all good and dandy if applied correctly.
I did TKD for roughly 6 years and it's helped me a lot. My favorite kick is still the side kick, even though I use a Muay Thai roundhouse and push kick instead of traditional front and roundhouse Kick. At my particular gym, we trained poomse, but also free style sparring, full-contact sparring and some boxing nights.Comment
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whats poomse?Originally posted by pstevensComment
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Poomse would be a form...kata....arrangement of organized moves....whatever you wanna call it.Comment
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POOMSE NO.1 of TaeKwonDo and KIHON KATA NO.1 of Okinawan Shorin-Ryu is all the same......Originally posted by takeshitoyama
Why?????????????
who is the clone and who is the original????????
haw haw haw haw
bow, opening stance, downward block, rev punch, downward block, rev punch, downward block, rev punch 3x, downward block, rev punch, downward block, rev punch, downward block, rev punch 3x, downward block, rev punch, downward block rev punch, close then bow......
something like that.....
its a broken rhytm (stop by stop, pause by pause actions) (and full of repetitions like downward block and revpunch)
haw haw haw haw
Note:
we could not blame other field of martial arts by saying Karate and TaeKwonDo Kata's/Pomsee's are useless....... why?????.......... cause you could not use KihonKataNo.1 and PoomseeNo.1 in a real fight.......
the reason why Karate and TaeKwonDo fights are full of jumping jack and hopping while their setpatterns have no elements of jumping.......
so....
what is the use of Kata and Pomsee????? its a useless to learn that SetPatterns right??????
now, if you compare their Kata's and Pomsee's to those Kun's of KungFu especially those of NgoChoKun's DiSipKun......
Di Sip Kun set patterns are a 20repetitions of short distance punches but dont be fooled your eyes about it..... there's a deep meaning inside it that your eyes dont see when it perform...... it is a like a Robot Bulldozer to bulldoze your opponent having him no time to launch his intended retaliation.....
DiSipKun is performed in a quick movement with no broken rhythm, no stop by stop, no pause by pause action....... those 20punches are all targeted to the solar plexus of the opponent.....
the only setpatterns i see in kungfu withfull of repetitions, other KungFu setpatterns???????? extremely no repetitions of movements...... sure........Comment
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dude your retarded.... tkd's first is'nt like that *slaps sherwinc for being stupid*Originally posted by sherwincComment
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So, Sherwin, you appear to be saying that TKD katas (we actually call them hyungs) are useless because you can't use them in a fight. Right? So, apparently, if I'm reading what you've tried to say correctly, kung fu practitioners use their patterns when they fight? Tell me exactly how that works when your opponent performs a technique that doesn't fit within whatever pattern you happen to be using. Isn't that one of the reasons Bruce Lee, originally a kung fu practitioner, rejected patterns? The hyungs aren't meant to be a roadmap for a fight. They're meant simply to catalog a variety of movements, to practice techniques, to provide a form of exercise, etc. Anyone who fights solely within their set patterns is doomed to lose. I've been to a lot of open tournaments. Karate guys, kung fu guys, TKD guys... Never saw anyone trying to do a kata during the sparring competitions. And, my son, using TKD, never lost to any of the kung fu guys he fought in the sparring competitions. None of the kung fu guys ever even gave him a close match. Of course the kung fu guys always won the kata competition. What you guys do is quite pretty.Originally posted by sherwinc
You condemn TKD's first hyung as "full of repetitions", yet, that is the only kata that is that repetitive. And, it is the first hyung. For beginners. Somehow you see a problem with teaching a kata with a only limited number of techniques to beginning students? Maybe you think that the beginners ought to be started with katas containing all of those "jumping jacks and hopping" that you constantly rant about.
It gets pretty tiresome reading your "haw haw haw's" every time someone mentions TKD. Perhaps you missed the lesson on respect during your years of studying kung fu. Perhaps you should take a boat ride from the Philippines over to Thailand and take some classes with Mr. Mavis. I suspect that if you participated in a few of his classes, you might alter your opinion a bit, as from what I've read here and on his website, he seems to be a very serious and very accomplished practitioner and teacher of TKD. From the way you talk about our art, I doubt that you've ever met a serious TKD martial artist.Comment
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I explain it to you in in some category of KungFu':Originally posted by ipscshooter
1. In WingChun:
a. There they have their 18Hands converted into 108 hand techniques (attacking)
b. There they have their ChiSau (defensive autopilot)
c. There they have thier Switches (since WingChun has no SetPatterns but only hand and feet switches)
d. Etc.......
2. In TaiChiChuan:
a. There they have their sets of Forms, in their sets of forms are including GRAPPLING, HOLDINGS, TRAPPINGS, PUSHING, GROUNDFIGHTING, ETC.... (Attacking)
b. There they have their Twee Chiu (defensive nuetralization of opponents attack leading to emptiness)
c. ETC.......
3. In NgoChoKun:
a. There they have their over 200 alphabets of techniques classified as Single Long Hand, Double Long Hand, Single Short Hand, Double Short Hand, Kneeling Hand Techniques, Kickings........(attacking)
b. There they have their 44 Kuns and Chiens (SetPatterns and Tensionings)
c. ETC........
Bruce Lee is a very wise, dont be fooled by him......Originally posted by ipscshooter
His Movie ARt is Jeet Kune Do
while.....
His Actual/Real Street Fight is WingChun KUngFu
thats the reason why BJJ, Wrestling, MuayThai, Boxing, called and insist that KARATE and TAE KWON DO Forms are useless cause its TRUE.....Originally posted by ipscshooter
and the worst is KUNGFU forms is involved to the worst of karate and taekwondo......
i copy that "haw haw haw's" laugh from ThaiBri......Originally posted by ipscshooter
and i copy that "CONVINCED??????" in the movie of JackyChan's Snake in the Eagle Shadow, the Eagle traitor defeated jackychan and said "Convinced?????" and jackychan replied "no, no, im not, im not" then jackychan again attack the eagletraitor with the snake form Jade Digging the Pearl in the middle of the film........
I am starting now learning Muay Thai round kick to the banana plantation hereOriginally posted by ipscshooter
cause i know that in every art, there are weaknesses as well as goodmoves.....
i also like some of Tae Kwon Do moves like Insteap Jumping Spinning Back Trust Kick to opponents midsection, but i hate their 45 45 kick.......
i frequently use this Tae Kwon Do Insteap Jumping Spinning Back Trust Kick to my KUNGFU CLASSMATES and when i hit them they cant recover immediately.......
haw haw haw....... i have also an advantages.......
as i always believe......
in every martial arts..... there are weakpoints and there are advantage moves...... be sure not to expose your technique in public, when they see it, they will get your technique and claim it them.........Comment
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"c. There they have thier Switches (since WingChun has no SetPatterns but only hand and feet switches)"
(havent got the quote thing down yet, but thats a quote from Sherwinc)
If it has no Set Patterns how can it really be called a form, when a form is defined by being an organized set of movements?Comment
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you know..i wasn't going to enter this convo..untill the moron said this
"Bruce Lee is a very wise, dont be fooled by him......
His Movie ARt is Jeet Kune Do
while.....
His Actual/Real Street Fight is WingChun KUngFu"
i have to ask
who is telling you this?Comment
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Getting back on target, KMA, I've been trying out HanMuDo of late. Nice blend of what works in Hapkido, blended with Judo and Ki training/cultivation. It all comes to together in a very intelligent layered training curriculum devised by Master Kimm. Everyone I've met in the system has been top notch, professional and very accomadating. Quite refreshing. It's worth checking out: www.Hanmudo.comComment
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haw haw haw hawOriginally posted by takeshitoyama
here in the Philippines, we have also that kind of "Translation Problem???".....
In Tagalog, a HOME means "Bahay"
In Tagalog, a HOUSE means "Bahay"
but.....
a HOUSE is not a HOME right????????
but both of them in tagalog means "Bahay"
ok???????
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in Karate, Tae Kwon Do....... a FORM is just a form and they are all the same.....
while in KungFu...... there are FORMS, SWITCHES, DRILLS, etc......
and besides....
in KungFu... in FORMS CATEGORY there are:
1. Kuns (Forms)
2. Chiens (Tensioning Routines)
3. Moving Meditations (while also applicable in combat)
4. etc.......
(there are many categories and subdivisions in KungFu Forms)
(while in Karate and Tae Kwon Do Forms, they are all the same stupid broken rhythm form)
and KUNGFU FORMS is mistakingly believe as the same Forms like those of TaeKwonDo and Karate stopbystop, pausebypause forms.......Comment
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actually, Bruce Lee tell me that his real art is kungfu....... why??????Originally posted by m.artist
look at all of his film starting from BigBoss up to his Game of Death..... then look carefully all of Bruce Lee's 3 titled documentary CD's like BruceLee the Journey, etc..... ALL OF HIS MOVEMENT ARE ALL FOUND IN KUNGFU......
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if you only practice KungFu at least 3 styles or systems of KungFu, then you will truely convinced about what i observed......
ITS MY TURN NOW TO ASK YOU A GREAT QUESTION:
1. Which of Bruce Lee's martial art movements are not found in KungFu?????
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cause all of Bruce Lee's movement, are also found in our KungFu, the only thing that is missing is the way Bruce Lee jumping, hopping, skipping cause that thing is a very exhausting when it comes to your old age..........
now, answer my questions please:
1. Which of Bruce Lee's martial art movements are not found in KungFu?????Comment
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