Tae Kwon Do is not as Old as some think

[47MartialMan]

Tae Kwon Do is not as Old as some think.

And the katas are jaoanese influenced.

[ipscshooter]

Trolling for arguments?

[ChunGi]

Well accually , he is kinda right. TKD was developed by General Choi HungHi in 1952 at a military defence system for the south korea army, at that time being invaded by the communist north koreans. General Choi took aspects of many other MA's to combine into a elite fighting system. The oldest system with the most influence on TKD dates back to the Silla dynasty of korea. Adapted by the HwaRang soldiers, a group of specially trained bodyguards that protected the royal family, and more specificly the duaghter of the king, from other enemy dynasty.

So in part he is right TKD only dates back to 1952, but its roots are thousands of years old.

SO whats your argument, that TKD is a fetus of a fighting system, or that it just took a really long time for a martial art to be developed with the influence of other arts and consideration to the laws of physics and human physiology ("wave", muscle cognation, power focusing theories")

Anyone who is agaisnt TKD is against there own art, unless they do kungfu because that didnt influence TKD

[ipscshooter]

Well accually , he is kinda right.

I understand the history of TKD, and the influence of the Japanese arts. It just seems that every time someone comes to a KOREAN ARTS FORUM, with a statement like "TKD is only 50 years old and the katas are Japanese", it's because they are trying to pick a fight about how their "older" art is superior. If the gentleman has something constructive to say, I'm happy to listen... On the other hand, if he just wants to cast aspersions about TKD being inferior because it's not as old, then, I'd like to find out whether he'll go out and buy a 2005 C6 Vette, and then swap it even up for my 1975 Vette... The '75 is older. It must, therefore, be better...

[ChunGi]

Yeah man, my argument is. If a person say anythign against TKD, it is a purly ignorant comment because Taekwon-Do has roots in almost every art form eitehr directly or indirectly. So basically they are arguing that there system is useless aswell becasue TKD most likly incorporates the best parts of that peticular fighting systems theories.

by the way 75' corvette stingray is F***in sweet

[47MartialMan]

No-, no fight-picking here-just looking for responses.

[jubaji]

Tae Kwon Do is not as Old as some think.

And the katas are jaoanese influenced.

So the Koreans owe a real debt to the great Jaoans.

[jubaji]

Holy spelling errors Batman!

Yeah man, my argument is. If a person say anythign against TKD, it is a purly ignorant comment because Taekwon-Do has roots in almost every art form eitehr directly or indirectly. So basically they are arguing that there system is useless aswell becasue TKD most likly incorporates the best parts of that peticular fighting systems theories.

Yep, aw guess dat most likly makes me a peticularly purly ignorant foo!

[medic06]

I understand the history of TKD, and the influence of the Japanese arts. It just seems that every time someone comes to a KOREAN ARTS FORUM, with a statement like "TKD is only 50 years old and the katas are Japanese", it's because they are trying to pick a fight about how their "older" art is superior. If the gentleman has something constructive to say, I'm happy to listen... On the other hand, if he just wants to cast aspersions about TKD being inferior because it's not as old, then, I'd like to find out whether he'll go out and buy a 2005 C6 Vette, and then swap it even up for my 1975 Vette... The '75 is older. It must, therefore, be better...

Nah, TKD is more like a yugo. . . .

[Ollis]

How many of thre martial arts that are widely practiced today are that old anyhow? Lets face, in the grand scheme of things, BJJ, HKD, Karate, Judo, Aikido, Krav Maga etc are all products of the last century, and I'd wager most of the fighting arts that can genuinely claim to have been developed hundreds of years ago have been heavily adapted by todays masters.

It can be argued that many of the techniques that found their way into jujutsu were learnt from Korean Yawara (don't quote me, I'm strictly going from memory here!) during the Silla period. Techniques which later found their way into Hapkido, Hwarrang Do & Kuk Sool Won, so what goes around comes around.

Yes, TKD owes a huge debt to the Japanese, however, the Japanese didn't manage to completely wipe out Korean arts. Gen Choi began training in Taekyon with his calligraphy teacher, long before he trained in shotokan. Most of the forms may look Karateish to the laymen out there, but to an experienced practitioner they are quite distinct. I remember showing some of the forms we study to a friend of mine who has a 2nd dan in shotokan. He definately noticed the difference in our performance of forms due to how we shift our body weight and utalise sign waves. By comparison, Japanese forms seem very linear & rigid, and use body mechanics quite differently.

[medic06]

U mean sine waves, like as in trigonometry?

[medic06]

How many of thre martial arts that are widely practiced today are that old anyhow? Lets face, in the grand scheme of things, BJJ, HKD, Karate, Judo, Aikido, Krav Maga etc are all products of the last century, and I'd wager most of the fighting arts that can genuinely claim to have been developed hundreds of years ago have been heavily adapted by todays masters.

It can be argued that many of the techniques that found their way into jujutsu were learnt from Korean Yawara (don't quote me, I'm strictly going from memory here!) during the Silla period. Techniques which later found their way into Hapkido, Hwarrang Do & Kuk Sool Won, so what goes around comes around.

Yes, TKD owes a huge debt to the Japanese, however, the Japanese didn't manage to completely wipe out Korean arts. Gen Choi began training in Taekyon with his calligraphy teacher, long before he trained in shotokan. Most of the forms may look Karateish to the laymen out there, but to an experienced practitioner they are quite distinct. I remember showing some of the forms we study to a friend of mine who has a 2nd dan in shotokan. He definately noticed the difference in our performance of forms due to how we shift our body weight and utalise sign waves. By comparison, Japanese forms seem very linear & rigid, and use body mechanics quite differently.

Well then, u need to mention the seizing and holding (chin na) arts rom china.

[47MartialMan]

So the Koreans owe a real debt to the great Jaoans.

You mean Japanese?

I say the owe to the credit to Japanese for the TKD forms

For Hapkido

For Yudo

For Humando


I do not know about Hwrang Do

But Tang So Do owes credit to China

[Ollis]

But Tang So Do owes credit to China

I know the "Tang" in Tang Soo Do refers to the Tang dynasty, but from what I've heard Tang Soo Do is the closest of Korean arts to Japanese karate, especially the forms.

However, karate, or "Te" when it was developed in Okinawa, had been hugely influenced by the Chinese fighting arts, and it is because of this TSD adopted the Tang prefix.

[IPON]

Lets face, in the grand scheme of things, BJJ, HKD, Karate, Judo, Aikido, Krav Maga etc are all products of the last century,

Just to clarify Judo and "karate" started prior to last century. The Kodakan opened in 1882.