military using tkd

[TKDguy]

here it is, military tkd. this looks like where tkd is goin and it looks awesome incorperating ground fighting and takedowns. here is a link http://www.blackbeltmag.com/document...y=1&startsum=1

[Ironfist1989]

Yeah i do agree it looks good to have some ground techniques involved in TKD and to have someone as Royce Gracie involved is a an awesome thing!!!!! shame the military are the people that have actually done somethhing about this wide problem and something that is none existence in TKD on a whole which would be welcomed by all practioners of TKD

[Hardball]

That's Old Business. The Army has been teaching TKD for years.

[Nemes1s]

they don't really teach alot of hand to hand combat in the military as much as you think they do, atleast not anymore.

[unclejoe357]

The military generally prefers gun-fu.

Most soldiers learn their h2h skills at basic training and sometimes during Advanced individual Training. However, they can continue to train if they wish. The Marine Corps has their own system complete with belt ranks. The Army is following suite.

Rorion and Royce tought Jiu-Jitsu to the Army Rangers over 10 years ago, its found throughout their h2h manual and is used in regular Army training as well.

The problem is many of those techniques are near impossible to do while wearing a rucksack and/or with gear strapped all over your body adding up to 100lbs.

[Ravin]

TKD sucks it never works why the hell would the military want to use it... its for pussies that dont want to fight...its a fuking sport playing Hockey would make you tougher. Even people I know that do or use to do TKD say its useless for a real fight.

[jubaji]

TKD sucks it never works ... its for pussies that dont want to fight....

You must be like a grand master (bator) or somethin'.

[Hardball]

they don't really teach alot of hand to hand combat in the military as much as you think they do, atleast not anymore.

You're wrong, dead wrong. It depends on what branch you are in and then it depends on your MOS.

13F Army

[Hardball]

TKD sucks it never works why the hell would the military want to use it... its for pussies that dont want to fight...its a fuking sport playing Hockey would make you tougher. Even people I know that do or use to do TKD say its useless for a real fight.

You have to know how to modify it for combat. Bring the kicks down to midgate level..............amongst other things.

[Tom Yum]

Tae Kwon Do

Ok, I've said this before so here goes the broken record...

TKD is decent for self-defense and great for fitness. Anything that improves your conditioning, self confidence, balance and toughness while teaching how to fight will improve your fighting ability.

The reason why I say decent, is that I am weighing all of my experiences from the Mcdojo black belts who can't kick higher than waste level, telegraph, get out of breath after 3-4 kicks and loose their balance to the very experienced and serious TKD fighters who can kick with some real power and sparr frequently.

Will getting a black belt in TKD be enough to take on a skilled Lennox Lewis in a street fight? hell no, because professional boxers have srious $$$ invested directly into their training and work on fighting. However if you can kick high, hard and cold you can definitely knock someone down if not out.

TKD by itslef is somewhat limited since it focuses on the kicking range and thus keeps the kicker slightly off balance - a weakness against boxers with good footwork or grapplers - (again, how many people on the street train in boxing or wrestling regularly and with intensity?) on the flip side if you aren't used to lightning fast kicks you will get knocked out.

TKD becomes Mc Dojo because it waters down to survive as a business.

They teach hyungs (forms), promote people because they pay for their belt and only allow point fighting.

There are some dojangs, however that have very few students....train pretty damn hard and know how to kick with some serious speed and power. To top it off, they dabble in judo, hapkido or some other art so that they can be comfortable in shorter ranges.

There's my $0.02.....gimme change.

[Hardball]

Ok, I've said this before so here goes the broken record...

TKD is decent for self-defense and great for fitness. Anything that teaches you how to fight, improves your conditioning, self confidence, balance and toughness while teaching how to fight will improve your fighting ability.

The reason why I say decent, is that I am weighing all of my experiences from the Mcdojo black belts who can't kick higher than waste level, telegraph, get out of breath after 3-4 kicks and loose their balance to the very experienced and serious TKD fighters who can kick with some real power and sparr frequently.

TKD by itslef is somewhat limited since it focuses on the kicking range and thus keeps the kicker slightly off balance - a weakness against boxers with good footwork or grapplers - (again, how many people on the street train in boxing or wrestling regularly and with intensity) on the flip side if you aren't used to lightning fast kicks you will get knocked out.

TKD becomes Mc Dojo because it waters down to survive as a business. They teach hyungs (forms), promote people because they pay for their belt and only allow point fighting.

There are some dojangs, however that have very few students....train pretty damn hard and know how to kick with some serious speed and power. To top it off, they dabble in judo, hapkido or some other art.

There's my $0.02.....gimme change.

Always a pleasure to hear from Tom Yum.

My .02 worth is that TKD is better than nothing. Cross training is the wave of the future. Those who don't cross train will be left behind. Get a Black Belt in a core system, any system............then cross train in everything and every system you can find. TKD beats a blank.

[Daddy_Cool]

I agree with Tom and Hardball on this one. But we must remember that it doesn't matter what art it is, it is how skilled the fighter is. I trained tkd for many years, under a talented master. I never had problems fighting someone from another system(when I trained in other systems)... not because tkd is good, but because I am a talented fighter. I don't regret training in that system as long as I did, but it is great to train in other systems. The more you learn the better you get.

[sirmattu]

TKD sucks it never works why the hell would the military want to use it... its for pussies that dont want to fight...its a fuking sport playing Hockey would make you tougher. Even people I know that do or use to do TKD say its useless for a real fight.

youre retarded.

[Whispers]

TKD sucks it never works why the hell would the military want to use it... its for pussies that dont want to fight...its a fuking sport playing Hockey would make you tougher. Even people I know that do or use to do TKD say its useless for a real fight.

Then your friends are pussies and probubly do a sport variant. There are plenty of TKD practitioners that can fight and do so regularly. There are many who have used it successfully in self defence. They're hard to find amoung all the shitty fighters, but they're still there.
TKD like almost all traditional styles works just fine if practiced realistically and with sincerity. It's just that most modern traditional martial artist are far more interested in looking "kewl" and showing off than learning to fight.

[Dude_101]

Ravin:Your friends went to a Mcdojang or they just can't fight.

and i agree with sirmattu