A Chung Do Mu Sool Won and Hapkido Question(s)

[Zapatista]

I've looked online and wasn't able to find the differences between Chung Do Mu Sool Won and Hapkido. All I've found is that Hapkido is a modern version of Chung Do Mu Sool Won. Is that true? And if so, what did they change in Hapkido to make it its own art?

Also, what is the difference between "normal" Hapkido and "combat" Hapkido? Since Hapkido is for self-defence and not really a sport wouldn't all Hapkido be "combat"?

Thanks for your time.

[Spookey]

A small piece of input...

Dear Sir,

I merely wish to point out that Combat and Self Defense are not one in the same however one is derived from the other!

TAEKWON!
SPooKeY

[Zapatista]

Would they mean Combat as in military/police? And if so, what would they add?

[Sircnay]

The difference between combat and self-defense is that in combat you won't get sued for killing the guy.

Combatitive teaches you to kill your opponent as quickly and effective as you can. Self-defense is a game of subduing your opponent without killing/maiming/hurting them in a way that they'll sue you for excessive force or send you to prison.

It's easier to learn Combatitive arts, which is why they can throw a marine or navy seal into a 20 week program and turn them into killing machines of death and overall destruction.

[EnlightenedOne]

Well thats interesting to know. Hey Zapatista, nice name. Can I ask you something? With a name like that you must stand for something so what do you stand for?

[royal court kid]

chugn do mu soo won vs. hapkido

I am currently a high blue belt in chung do mu sool won and train under 8th degree black belt master Michael Augsburger and 2nd degree black belt Jeff Growel. I have never taken any other martial arts and have not had any experience with hapkido but Jeff has and he has had experience in most of the martial arts and says chung do impressed him the most. He used to teach combat hapkido which is the more agressive form of hapkido and believes the joint locking techniques of chung do are superior to those of hapkido and again prefers chung do techniques over anything he has done in the past. Keep in mind that I am not putting down the art of hapkido or any other art by any means. I have respect for anyone who is involved in martial arts and certain arts will attract certain kinds of people. From my own personal experience with chung do, I can say that it is a complete art but does take time to perfect. The joint locks are great and hurt like hell. The one step sparring and wrist escape techniques are very practical, the ground fighting is different because we train to break the bones and use pressure point striking instead of competition grappling. It is a true Korean Royal Court martial art and Grand Master Hwang In Mo is from the noble Hwang family of Korea. He was also a colonel in the korean roc army and if you know anything about the roc army, you would know these were a feirce group of individuals and were feared by the vietcong. You can only find this art in Milwaukee, WI, Dekalb, IL and maybe a few of the noble families in Korea. If you want information from a better source, contact Jeff Growel at Royalcourt@sbcglobal.net I hope you find the answer your looking for!

[Tom Yum]

Also, what is the difference between "normal" Hapkido and "combat" Hapkido? Since Hapkido is for self-defence and not really a sport wouldn't all Hapkido be "combat"?

Thanks for your time.

Traditional hapkido is simply a more traditional version of Hapkido. Martial arts training to develop martial spirit - this includes ki breathing excercises, meditation, self-defense techniques (pretty good ones) and weapons training using the long staff, short staff, sword, fan etc. You will learn things in well organized sets - techniques for sweeping, technques for choking, techniques for parrying punches etc.

Combat hapkido is becoming more and more like a mixed martial arts style. They take some of the fundamentals of hapkido in terms of concepts, mostly techniques that have actually worked or can be easily learned then they incorporate techniques from other styles like judo, jiujitsu, kyokushin. The emphasis on weapons is mostly modern weapsons that you could find - knifes, short sticks, chains etc.

[hapkiyoosool]

I am fairly new to this forum. I do have a link that shows a more traditional Hapkido out of Korea. http://www.hapkiyoosool.com/video.htm

I hear this allot. "Why say "Combat Hapkido"? It's like saying "Combat Army"? isn't it? Hapkido is for combat. Whether it is on the street or battlefield, if they attack it is combat. Don't you think? "

I have to explain this one all the time.

By the way. Are there any good Hapkido schools in Milwaukee, WI?