Hapkido!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tom Yum]

Originally posted by falcon3624

I have been witness to a several "masters" that could basically tear apart anyone that stepped into there class, yet would fight on the street and would be beaten easily. Sparring and streetfighting are two totally different thing. When you talk about sparring you are talking about fighting with rules and when you talk about street fighting you are talking about fighting without rules and then everything goes out the window and anyone can be beaten by the simplest wrong move.

Falcon, what gym do you train at in Houma? If you're as good as you say, then I would like to train with you next time I visit LA. I met a 1st Black Sash Wing Chun/JKD instructor from Baton Rouge who has invited me to train with him - really cool guy.

[Kingston]

I have heard a fairly reliable story of a man taking on 3 men trying to kill him.....the man won and apprehended all 3.
(this was in a bio for a guy in some grappling or wrestling magazine forget the name of the magazine)

as well right now on the Senshido forum there is an article of a US special forces guy who had to take on multiple oponents hand to hand and won.

I would say it is possible to win against multiple oponents with the right training and mindset. But someone who practices taking on multiple oponents one at a time will (or should in my opinion) always lose. Or taking on multiple attackers who dont attack at the exact same time, one in front one behind.

You have to deal with the fact that 2 or 3 guys will grab you at the same time, you cant punch or kick to escape....two guys twisting your arms in different directions the 3rd head hunting.

2 or more guys attacking you at the same time from different angles.

of course theres much more you have to think about as well.

the good thing is, the more people attacking you, the less options they have due to space, a haymaker for example wont be a possibility because they would hit the guy next to them...

From the little i know about hapkido, i dout it covers ALL the bases for multiple attackers....

[falcon3624]

Originally posted by Tom Yum


Falcon, what gym do you train at in Houma? If you're as good as you say, then I would like to train with you next time I visit LA. I met a 1st Black Sash Wing Chun/JKD instructor from Baton Rouge who has invited me to train with him - really cool guy.

I train at the Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Academy. I never said I was good. I said that I had beaten several so called "masters" from different arts........that does not mean that I am good. I told you once before you are welcome to come down and train anytime you want.

[Tom Yum]

Cool. Is there a website or phone no for the academy?

I need to work on passing the half-guard and getting the side mount or full mount. I can pass the guard sometimes and get a knee to belly or do what I call the 'twister' - stand up while in the guard and try to spin a leg out. But against someone really tall 6'4" it is really hard to pull off.

Have you grappled other styles - pankration, judo or Greco-Roman? I learned some moves from an Eric Paulson seminar on combat wrestling/pankration. Its a no-gi style and goes for the submission right away, whereas my experiences in BJJ revolve around keeping ground mobility/position to give more submission options.

If I were to grapple a Greco-Roman wrestler today, I would loose the stand up grappling control. I can sprawl, but cannot do much from the clinch (except muay thai stuff) which would put me at odds with wrestlers...lol. I've been slammed into the mat a few times by some of Altman's Sanshou fighters, and can hang with my stand up.

Do you work control/takedowns from the clinch? Any ideas or techniques you can share? Guys on this thread- any advice??

[falcon3624]

It is hard for most people to break away from the guard of a tall strong person. My guard is really hard to break cuz I am 6'2" and 240lbs. and if someone gets close I can muscle them back into the guard. I have gone against other styles and as a matter of fact we cross train with judo and othe styles for takedowns. Our teacher is really good at passing the guard cuz he is like 5'4" 160lbs. and he can always pass my guard. What I like to do since I am pretty strong is when someone has me in their closed guard I like to come to the standing position and then take 2 steps in getting them almost vertical up and down. Sometimes when they get in that position they will let go trying to reposition and then you can try for the side mount. If they choose to hold on I like to then move just one leg a big step in which puts them on an angle and then come over the top and back to your knees. I like this move because when I come over the top and back down it puts me in perfect postion for an ankle lock or knee bar. The only problem with that techniques is that someone who is small will have a hard time getting up and over with someone that is much stronger. I was showing a buddy of mine that is much smaller than me and he could not turn me over because of the strenght of my legs to force him back down.

[Tom Yum]

The twister works well against someone within a 30lb weight range, but 100lb??? How does your instructor do it?

Its relatively easy to get an ankle lock when you stand up (or pull up) in another's guard - you could go for it right away, which has allowed me to submit some judoka who are not familiar with ankle locks. But going straight for a submission doesn't improve position or open up that many options, unless your partner makes a mistake. Its not a bad idea.

I'm not much bigger than your instructor 5'10" 173 and am often thrown into the heavy weight category even though I'm the smallest guy in it. Let's train sometime - I could use the practice.

[falcon3624]

Don't ask me how he does it cuz I wish I knew. I know that he takes the blue belts that are almost purple belts and tap them out a couple times in 5 min. I don't really care to go against him cuz he has so many moves and he is always going for something on you. As far as the ankle locks......I don't go for them much because I feel like going for an ankle lock puts me in danger of being in one myself. That particular move is pretty good if it works out because your opponent ends up on their stomach and you are sitting on their butt holding them down. Like I said I really don't care for ankle locks that much......my favorite 2 moves are the key lock and kimura because they are applied very quickly and you can catch even the most advanced person in them if they are not paying attention to their hand placement at all times.

[Thai Bri]

Personally I do not believe wutang is a purple belt BJJ. So there you go.

[CHOKE UK]

Just Wanted To Be Part Of This Very Long Post!

No Idea Whats Its About Too Much To Read At This Time Of Night!

Plus I Just Wanted To See If My New Signature Works!

So Just For The Sake Of It I Totally Agree With Everyone On This Thread!

Anyone Fancy A Kata-dance?

[jubaji]

Do you work control/takedowns from the clinch? Any ideas or techniques you can share? Guys on this thread- any advice??

You should work for underhooks. I have found this to be a position of more control, and more options.

[Tom Yum]

You should work for underhooks. I have found this to be a position of more control, and more options.

thanks. i practiced a plumb drill with a wrestler trying to get underhooks, but i'm not a wrestler so once I get the underhooks there's a limited number of things I can do.

[Naihanchin]

Question for Falcon

Falcon,

You stated earlier that you have black belts in Aikido and Shorin Ryu


What style of Aikido?

What style of Shorin-Ryu?

Have you found these helpful for your BJJ?

How about for mixed martial arts and muay thai?

[radicus]

I keep hearing an argument how sport MT and sport BJJ and other sport MAs will not be successful against self defense system/arts that train in dirty fighting.

When you guys train dirty fighting, do you hit each other in the balls and eye gouge each other when you train? If not, what makes your dirty fighting system different from sport MA?

And what would prevent a superior(sports) striker/grapler from training dirty fighting? Because if I am a superior striker/grappler I have a better chance at landing that kick to the balls or eye gouging you, when I have a superior position.

Of course if you guys truly do kick each other in the balls when you train, than I am wrong.

[Tom Yum]

I keep hearing an argument how sport MT and sport BJJ and other sport MAs will not be successful against self defense system/arts that train in dirty fighting.

When you guys train dirty fighting, do you hit each other in the balls and eye gouge each other when you train? If not, what makes your dirty fighting system different from sport MA?

And what would prevent a superior(sports) striker/grapler from training dirty fighting? Because if I am a superior striker/grappler I have a better chance at landing that kick to the balls or eye gouging you, when I have a superior position.

Of course if you guys truly do kick each other in the balls when you train, than I am wrong.

Sport MT and BJJ are VERY effective in and out of the ring. Anyone that says dirty fighting styles are superior to boxing/muaythai/grappling hasn't had the chance to fight in a realistic MMA situation.

Dirty fighting is one of the few ways to even fighting ability when there's a size/strength difference. For example, dogs are generally smaller than men and much weaker but if they bite at your crotch or other sensitive areas, they're pretty deadly. The other way is from superior position, footwork, technique (as you suggest).

I'm not a fan of kung-fu fighting styles, but the theory of animal techniques talks about using different attributes and tactics according to one's own attributes.

The tiger style is supposed to be the most aggressive style probally designed for strong, burly fighters. Lots of striking with the palms, fists, kicks and head butts.

The snake style involves sticking to your opponent (same theory as keeping close body to body contact in BJJ) when striking and grappling. Most of the strikes are with the fingers and the sides of the hand and targeted at the eyes, neck, collar bone, solar plexus. This is probably designed for quick, agile fighters.

[medic06]

How did this thread resurrect itself? Anyway, is anyone familiar with these guys?

http://www.worldhapkido.com/videoclips.htm