Hapkido!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kingston]

Originally posted by Monkey
Anything which is full contact and alive (competition TKD, boxing, jiu jitsu, kickboxing, wrestling, judo) is much better than any so called self defence system.

if you use any protective gear, its not "full contact. If there are ANY rules, its not "alive.

Exponents of the so called purely self defence martial arts get trashed in fights against fighters in the above combat sports.

exponents? isn't that a math term? oh well..... the reason that a "self defence" guy mite lose in a ring sport match is...RULES.
get a K-1 guy or UFC guy to go into a kickboxing ring.....they will do ALOT worse. (unless they started off as realy good kickboxers..leading there way into the UFC from that...)

Always choose a combat sport over a 'self defense' 'martial art' or 'system'.

that is true, if you want to become a good ring fighter.

You can either listen to me now, or you can go and waste a couple of years and then come to the same conclusion, i.e. find out the hard way.

i know whenever i have an argument i call over the local reff we set up a ring and say "no punches below the belt", "dont follow the guy to the ground", "1v1", "have a coach helping with strategy", "get a good warm up, and a training plan that peaks at this fight date", "if you guys arent in the same wieght class...sorry your gunna have to talk out your differences", "gloves and mouthguards in!"........the list can go on forever......"no fights on concrete"......."oopps were on a sloap", "no weapons allowed", "no attacking from behind".

Does this help to show you how wrong you are monkey?
ring sports can give you good ring strategy, some of that does carry on to the streets....but not all. combat sports do allow you to get good at striking, but if the guy is bigger then you, HES GUNNA HIT HARDER, and take alot more punishment then you.

some people get confused because when their punching a bag they think "wow if this was some guys head he would be out like a light, i rock!" or when sparring "it doesn't matter his crotch is wide open, these boxing moves realy help me protect my head, and i can punch hard to, cool i got him right in the head and he tripped, i rock!"

get real.

[eXcessiveForce]

It is more correct to say that TKD uses Many of the Hapkido kicks.

TKD was created out of all martial arts in Korea. For some reason most TKD did not take on the joint locks, throws, grappling portion of hapkido.


A system is what you make of it. People say that something is a lousy system are lousy at it. simple as that. Some systems may be a better starting point for self defence but if trained properly they will all get you there eventually.

[foolsknight362]

Monkey, although I believe that it is up to the practitioner, I still think that you have a better chance with a system then a sport. Self defense sports (like boxing) are okay for some, but seriously, ever heard of JKD? Use whatever works? Sports you are bound by rules. Systems you are bound by nothing.

[Toudiyama[NL]]

REALLY makes sense if you do not want to be hit in the streets to go practice a Sport where you get hit

If you do Ma for selfDEFENCE, you will most likely do not want to fight, just in the case that you have to you want to be prepared
Why would I enter a contest just because the other side thinks I need to prove my self in full combat against othe MA

[Szczepankiewicz]

I trained for about 15 minutes with an Hapkido Blackbelt. We were going Quarterspeed and he was simply demonstrating some techniques.

His movements were very fluid, very strong, and his footwork and mechanics were dead on.

If I lived near him I would train on a regular basis. And he has used his skills to protect himself and others on numerous occaisions.

He has written one book, is working on a second, and has numerous training videos out.

He is also coming down to Boise to put on a seminar.

Bottom line: Hapkido can and does work. Just like every other art it depends on who's training it and how you train.

Spanky

[falcon3624]

Okay, now everyone was saying that Aikido does not work the other day. You take Aikido and add some TKD or TSD kicks and punches and you have Hapkido. So if Aikido does not work then why would Hapkido be so great??? Just asking.

[falcon3624]

Originally posted by eXcessiveForce
It is more correct to say that TKD uses Many of the Hapkido kicks.

TKD was created out of all martial arts in Korea. For some reason most TKD did not take on the joint locks, throws, grappling portion of hapkido.


A system is what you make of it. People say that something is a lousy system are lousy at it. simple as that. Some systems may be a better starting point for self defence but if trained properly they will all get you there eventually.

I have never heard of Hapkido having grappling in it......We had some Hapkido black belts come down to our BJJ class and we made short work of them on the ground so I guess if they do teach grappling their system must suck.

[Tom Yum]

Hapkido

Hapkido has good stand up grappling. It shares the same lineage as traditional Japanese Jiu Jitsu (Daito-Ryu Aikijutsu). HKDs standing grappling is quite good! Its different than aikido, because aikido is too friendly and takes longer to work. HKD goes for the jugular in stand up.

On the ground, hapkidoists use some basic grappling with many 'dirty' moves not included in BJJ - groin grabs, hair pull, eye gouge to name a few. The reason for this is to spend minimal time on the ground, but have enough technique to be familiar with it.

Technically speaking, HKD is not up to par with BJJ ground fighting. I hold a 1st dan brown belt (black brown) in the art and have also practiced BJJ. I could submit white belts, but had mixed results with the blue belts. Purple Belt - I got whooped fast...lol.

[falcon3624]

From what I understood about it all the moves that are used for "stand up grappling" in hapkido came directly from Aikido. I might be mistaken but I think that is where it came from. I have trained with a guy one time that did Hapkido and his moves were almost identical to the ones I saw in Aikido. You can say I don't know what I am talking about but I am just relaying what I saw.

[Lizard]

Falcon has a point, some of the hapkido that I have seen has been very similar to aikido. I guess it does depend on who is teaching and how they are teaching.

[ryanhall]

You guys must know the good ones, because the Hapkido black belts that I have seen and sparred with were pretty weak. No striking ability. Only standup grappling was tricky wrist locks. Minimal, poor ground work that was bastardized from BJJ by the instructor (he had no understanding of BJJ or general groundfighting at all).

[falcon3624]

I really didn't want to get into all this but Aikido and Hapkido are pretty much the same shit (just that Hapkido has the addition of alot of strikes). Let me explain........Sokaku Takeda was a grand master of Daito Ryu Aikijujutsu. Yong Sul Choi (creator of what we know as modern day Hapkido) was a servant for Takeda. Morihei Ueshiba (O-Sensei or creator of Aikido) was a student of Takeda. If you go back and look at Daito Ryu Aikijujutsu you will notice that Hapkido and Aikido are very much like it and are very much alike. I find that Hapkido is more of a butchered version and Aikido is more of a traditional version of it. I am not saying one is better than the other, just saying.

There is also controversy as to whether or not Choi actually studied under Takeda or if he just learned what he knew from seminars........Like I said some of the techniques are kinda butchered looking from what I saw so maybe that's true.

[falcon3624]

And while we are on the subject I would like to clear up something. I know that everyone thinks that Aikido is just wrist locks and there is alot more too it than wrist locks. Alot of what I learned was standing armbars and flips that did not come from the wrist. I guess too many people have been watching old Steven Seagal. I showed some standing armbard and shoulder locks to a guy in Hapkido one time and he said he had never seen anything like it. Maybe ole Choi missed class that week.

[Tom Yum]

one of the distinguishing differences is yudo techniques in Hapkido, which is korean judo. Aikido does not seek to take opponents to the ground in the most commited ways; judo on the other hand does.

Hapkido is not transferable in its own style. I have seen some Hapkido McDojangs before. Its too bad; I wish I could share some technique with you guys.

Spanky is pretty hardcore in JJ and is impressed with the HKD guys he met.

[Szczepankiewicz]

You fellas compare everything to BJJ on the mat or in the ring all the time.

You have to realize a few things:

1) Easily %90 of what's out there being taught in a dojo will get you killed when you try to use it 'on the street'.

I don't care what art, what style, who's your teacher, whatever you want to throw in, it's gonna get your ass blasted.

2) If you have a chance to learn something from someone who is pretty good at what they do jump all over it. There aren't any hard and fast rules, that's the first rule.

I'm learning some sweet GJJ from Craig Kukuk. This stuff rocks, especially in competition. The moves may be different from what I learned in Judo or other Jujutsu training, but the principles are exactly the same.


Let me restate that in case you missed it the first time.

The principles are exactly the same.


Distance, timing, leverage, flexibility, strategy and tactics, mindset, calmness. The list goes on...

These principles are universal.

3) If you can find someone who truly understands these principles it really doesn't matter what they train in, they can still do serious damage.

4) Any martial artist worth his salt is going to crosstrain, seek out others who have knowledge to offer, and give what they learn the ol' reality check test.

Look at Mr. Nipplesworth. He's cross-trained in a ton of different stuff and uses what he knows to work. He gets to play for real on the streets. And he's still alive. That's ****ing amazing considering what a loud mouth shit talker he is.

5) Self defense is not fighting is not sport competition. The same universal principles apply to each, but in totally different ways.


Spanky