TKD vs American Kickboxing

[tkd_person89]

and sadly... he probably does not even know what it means... poor fella.. there, there it's okay. cheer up. don't get your dipers in a knot

[Piston]

Lol... wow you must think you're pretty clever, don't you, little man?

do you feel tough now? do you? hehehe

but come on now... do you actually think anyone takes YOU seriously, fella?
hehe

If thats the feeling you get from saying what you say on these forums then it explains an awful lot.

I don't care if they don't take me seriously. This is the internet.

[Piston]

That's the funniest thing I've ever heard.

Well I'm glad something worthwhile came from my bullying.

[eXcessiveForce]

Yes I've done some stick work but it has been awhile ago. I decided to concentrate on knife. More specifically I've switch to empty hand vs. knife. It is very enlightening. Once I get to a level I fee comfortable with, not exactly sure there is such a point with knife defense. I will probably try working more with stick.

[Maxx]

Boy, that came out of left field. I think someone wandered into the wrong room.

[kuk sool won]

cohesion is over-rated

[Piston]

and sadly... he probably does not even know what it means... poor fella.. there, there it's okay. cheer up. don't get your dipers in a knot

"lingual lobotomite zen master"

I'll take it apart for you shall I? It means someone who has had a lobotomy, which is an operation done to remove certain parts of one's brain, usually done in the past in America, on mentally disabled patients who were to aggressive, thus the part of the brain that facilitates this was removed. In your case the part that facilitates the ability to hold a reasoned and civil, meaningful discussion.

Now to the second part. A zen master focuses on something absoloutely minute, being utterly absorbed in what he is doing to the point whereby he forgets his very existence in order to un-lock the buddhahood that mahayanists believe everyone has within them. You have taken the art of talking absoloute bollocks to a similar level forgetting everyone and everything around you, spouting garbage despite the context you're in.

Accurate description no?

[Piston]

I agree logical reality is so predictable.

[eXcessiveForce]

About four pages back, someone asked me a question

[Maxx]

It's amusing how irate he gets when he asks a question and doesn't like the answer he gets:

tkd_person89: So, who would win between an American Kickboxer and a TKD guy?

other_user: Probably the American Kickboxer.

tkd_person89: WHAT!!!???? Double dumbass on you, you dumb dumb dummy.

[Piston]

Excellent point, I'll stop.

[gabbah]

About four pages back, someone asked me a question

Quite a few posts back I also asked you something, which you have yet to answer... so if you please?

[eXcessiveForce]

Sorry I must have missed it.

yes for the most part I am refering to self defense or more specifically a funcitonality perspective.

When you look as sport then you much do what it takes to play within the rules. In the case of TKD olympic sport tkd came along much later than the rest of the system. So olympic sparring is a game, to win the game you must abide by the rules which will reduce overall functionality of the base art.

There is no problem with sport martial arts. But one must not believe that they are more than what they are.

[gabbah]

Well if you judge the art/sport from a self defense perspective, then very few arts are any good. Neither muay thai nor bjj covers it all. Shooto comes closer.
So what I'm saying is that one can complain that TKD is not "good" (meaning for self defense), but at the same time most of the other arts are also incomplete.

But you are right that if an art claims to be self defense it's another matter. If it only claims to be a sport with set rules, the sport/art will be pretty good given those rules.

Now, there might be another view one can take: how good does a certain art/sport fit as a piece of the whole picture of self defense? If you use that sort of argument, then perhaps you can say that muay thai is better than TKD...
But even muay thai will get the figher used to that he can clinch without having to worry that the opponent changes level all of the sudden and does leg takedown. So even though muay thai fits well into the whole picture, it also "fools" the practitioner. Another thing is the high stance, form which it's hard to sprawl fast.
I'd like to hear your thoughts on this unstructured ramble of mine.

[Piston]

To use any martial art strictly as one would in the dojang, in a real self-defence situation is madness. However this does not mean to say that one cannot apply an MA to a 'real' situation, all depends on the intelligence of the artist.