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  • #16
    This is a good discussion on TKD. However, methinks it belongs in Korean Arts so XF can keep an eye on it.

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    • #17
      By mentioning millitary TKD he is referring to the KOREAN millitary... I think that would be obvious or do people not really know that TKD was taught to the Korean millitary? It was NOT a sport originally... it unfortunately became a sport through the WTF. Or fortunately if all you care about is getting millions of people to study it.... in that case it's a great success!

      To answer the question, no martial art is EVER going to be more efficient studied alone... you need living opposition to work your techniques and skills or you're never going to develop reflexes, timing and instincts.

      Damian Mavis
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      • #18
        Well I figured it was Korean military duh. I just don't know if Leviathan was in the Korean military. And what are the differences between what the Korean military teach and what is regularly taught. Does Military TKD qualify as a combative if so then there must be some modern weapons training involved? How different is the MTKD that they teach to Korean troops then what is taught to these guys in the that are not in the military?
        Am I to assume that Leviathan is in the Korean military?

        I guess to make o long question short, what the hell is MTKD, and what is the difference between MTKD and TKD?

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        • #19
          Ok I am NOT very informed on this subject but I'll tell you what I've heard.

          The Korean millitary learns TKD as part of its hand to hand combat, it is seperate from their weapons training. They also learn it from a street perspective, there's no touch point philosophy or anything but what can take your opponent out fast and hard.

          I don't know the original posters background but I'm assuming when he says he learned military TKD he learned a "more realistic" application of TKD techniques and foregoes the useless junk alot of TKD schools focus on. Basically like advanced kickboxing with heavy conditioning and tough training. Like the millitary supposedly learns it. This is just stuff I've heard through the grapevine, not saying it's true.

          Damian Mavis
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          • #20
            Ok I am NOT very informed on this subject

            You should use that caveat to preface all of your posts.

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            • #21
              But then it simply wouldn't be true. When it comes to Muay Thai or TKD I know a good amount, I'll always be honest about stuff I don't know like "military TKD" or naming front kick as roundhouse, I simply don't know anything about stuff like that.

              Damian Mavis
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              • #22
                what is military TKD?
                is it what is taught to the korean special forces all of whom have to be a 1st dan in TKD and train usually 6 hrs a day in it?

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                • #23
                  What the F***. If they train 6 hours a day in TKD when do they find the time to train for the real stuff, Like communications, small unit ops, weapons training, demolitions, and all the other specialized training that special ops guys need to now and be proficient in? H2H is a very small part of being a soldier there are way more important things for them to know.They must have more time over there in Korea or something then our spec-ops guys have maybe there days are 40 hours instead of 24hrs like ours.

                  If our guys trained that much in H2H then they would really suck in there specialized missions. Don't bring TKD to a gun fight!

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by matthewkemp
                    what is military TKD?
                    is it what is taught to the korean special forces all of whom have to be a 1st dan in TKD and train usually 6 hrs a day in it?
                    Everyone you meet who has been in the military in Korea is a "black belt" in tkd. They have to be. Your local strip mall takes more time and depth in training.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by darrianation
                      What the F***. If they train 6 hours a day in TKD when do they find the time to train for the real stuff, Like communications, small unit ops, weapons training, demolitions, and all the other specialized training that special ops guys need to now and be proficient in? H2H is a very small part of being a soldier there are way more important things for them to know.They must have more time over there in Korea or something then our spec-ops guys have maybe there days are 40 hours instead of 24hrs like ours.

                      If our guys trained that much in H2H then they would really suck in there specialized missions. Don't bring TKD to a gun fight!
                      EXACTLY!! From what I understand, most army/navy guys train on their own time. Even then their personal time is split up between any martial art they practice, foreign languages, marksmanship, PT and more important things for being a soldier, not a MA ist.

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                      • #26
                        Well you guys have to remember that different countries are going to have different ways in their military's. I know that General Choi (founder of TKD) was teaching TKD to some sort of elite group in the military and they trained ALL the time way back in the day. I don't know much about what is going on there now but what I'm really curious about is what North Korea is up too with thier training. They're country is so much more harsh than what we are used to I can only imagine the grueling training they are put through. I know for a fact human life is of almost no value there.

                        Damian Mavis
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                        • #27
                          I had the TKD encyclopedia and Choi had a section on the knife and bayonet.

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                          • #28
                            Puahahaha... There's very little difference between "military" TKD and your basic TKD McDojo. My former TKD master was taught TKD in the military. According to him, what we did in the dojo was very similar, if not identical what he was taught. Granted, in the military there's a code of conduct. But the techniques are very similar.

                            I've seen videos and pictures of Korean Serivemen holding horse stance, reverse punch, etc... The Korean Army advocates TKD training for physical fitness, but I seriously doubt they expect their soldiers to engage in a TKD fight in war.

                            On General Choi, I've heard so many variations on his exploits and TKD. From all accounts, TKD was never used in any military engagement. This coincides with history, which points out that TKD was a post-war development.

                            So, once again... TKD is nothing but a sport that has some self-defense applications that are rooted in karate.

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                            • #29
                              Man, that is such a racist thing to say...

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                              • #30
                                WHOA WHOA Great Sage! Easy on the generalisations! I am not part of the WTF that practices sport "olympic" style TKD and neither are hundreds of thousands of other TKD practitioners world wide. Granted there are millions of WTF'ers so it's easy to forget that there are other forms of TKD out there but we are there. Please don't call all TKD sport. We train like a traditional martial arts school, not like a sport school.

                                Damian Mavis
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