Going to the H.S. Wrestling Tryouts....

[IPON]

Alright, after reading your guy's posts, I'd just like to say some stuff. What is the cross wrist? And also my coach taught us to always grab the fingers for a stand-up. He says it is so they don't lock hands and body slam you to the ground. I also recall ipon saying that I shouldn't choke the guy, I'm not. The neck clinch transition goest to a head lock with his arm inside. I then proceed to throw it to the side and get behind him.

BJJ:

The cross wrist think of this - you stanup your opponent is behind youhe reaches around your waist with his right hand and grab your left wrist ( and also with with his left) of course this can be done from either side.

Grab the fingers does work but you must have a strong standup and quick or else you will only be able to grab the wrist.

Forget the neck clinch stuff for the purpose of wrestling. Once you have the head lock yes you can throw to on side and spin around (this is where your spinning drills will start making sense when you have to keep changing directions). But standing or on the mat tryo to work a cradle. So you have the frontheadlock, let's sayyour right armgoes under the face and you grab the right arm (tricep), make it tight with your left. If he tries to get upright just headlock and take him down (though that shouldn't happen too much if its tight). Also work the cradle so you have it tight with your right arm now with your left hand grab the closest leg (prferably the inside leg)

Oh yeahh, I am glad to hear no chokes.

BTW you never said if you are JV or varsity and if the last match was regular season???

[Bjjexpertise@be]

It was JV. But our coach left out one little detail until after the match. The team we were up against is placed 3rd in state and is defending their title. As you can guess all of the varsity guys were gods and whooped our varsity teams with ease....except for one guy on our team who is state champ . All of their guys were good though. They excelled in doing cradles.
I also managed to catch the takedown the state champ on our team used to take his guy down, and was wondering how to do it since he was too quick for me to make out hte details. What i do know is that he shoots, he spins around the guy's leg that he aimed for, goes behind, and drives. I think this is how it goes, think any of you guys can help me out on this one? Oh and yes this is possibly the longest thread that didn't go off topic world record! woooooot!

[jubaji]

[QUOTE=Bjjexpertise@be]Alright, after reading your guy's posts, I'd just like to say some stuff. What is the cross wrist? And also my coach taught us to always grab the fingers for a stand-up. QUOTE]

Cross wrist is where your own arm is held across your own body by someone holding the wrist from behind and to the opposite side. (that's confusing!)

Well, I'm standing alone here but Mr. Ipon and your coach are wrong in this matter. You can certainly attack the fingers to break a lock, but your first priority is to get to your feet and avoid the cross wrist. To do so, you need secure control. Without it, you are on you way back down and maybe on the top of your own head!

Try this experiment: Next time you are sweatin' up a storm during practice, grab your own hand as hard as you can then pull your hands apart; I'll bet you can. Next, grab your own wrist and try the same; I'll bet you can't. Then decide where you have more control.

[jubaji]

[QUOTE=Bjjexpertise@be]It was JV. But our coach left out one little detail until after the match. The team we were up against is placed 3rd in state and is defending their title. QUOTE]

They are defending THIRD? Don't be intimidated by anyone.

Respect everyone, fear no one.

[IPON]

[QUOTE=jubaji]

Respect everyone, fear no one.

Exactly, my philosophy is you can't be me until you do it. Remeber the team isn't important the person in your weight class is. Noone is God people make mistakes and can get caught.

[IPON]

[QUOTE=jubaji]

Well, I'm standing alone here but Mr. Ipon and your coach are wrong in this matter.

Dude, I wish I could get you on the mat and show you why its not as bad as you think (not challenging you just to roll)

Again we are talking about 2-3 secs of control. If the guys looks like the rain forrest during the match it is just as easy to slip out of wrist control. But honestly you cannot tell me that I am wrong having used this for technique repatedly, I have more than vouched for the validity and reliabilty. Is this the first time hearing of this, or have you kwnown about it and just not agree.

[jubaji]

Dude, I wish I could get you on the mat and show you why its not as bad as you think (not challenging you just to roll)

Again we are talking about 2-3 secs of control. If the guys looks like the rain forrest during the match it is just as easy to slip out of wrist control. But honestly you cannot tell me that I am wrong having used this for technique repatedly, I have more than vouched for the validity and reliabilty. Is this the first time hearing of this, or have you kwnown about it and just not agree.

It'd be cool to roll (although in my present condition, when I start rolling its hard to stop!).

Generally, I do not find it to be a reasonable pracitce to base an argument on anecdotal evidence. You and I could compare wrestling careers all day (sounds like they might be similar) but it would not logically resolve this point of contention. That having been said, I can tell you that many is the wrestler who ended up getting dumped on his head (and getting myself DQed a few times) because they thought they could stand up controling just my fingers or hand.

Now to be fair, I should say that when blasting up in a stand up, bringing in the elbows and getting control, you should take whatever you can when you can. If that means you can only get the hand, you go with it. But you should be aware of the much greater likihood that your opponent will take advantage of that.

[Bjjexpertise@be]

Alright guys, next question . When sprawling I generally like to shape both my arms in a 90 degree angle fashion and block with my biceps. Is this position ok or do i want to change it? Also, is shooting better than going for elbow and collar clinch and double underhooks?

[IPON]

Alright guys, next question . When sprawling I generally like to shape both my arms in a 90 degree angle fashion and block with my biceps. Is this position ok or do i want to change it? Also, is shooting better than going for elbow and collar clinch and double underhooks?

What are you blocking?? The mother of defenses is a solid cross face while sprawling. There are a lot of things you can do from the sprawl, but I would start working that.

This is exactly what I have been telling you all along, great example. It not an issue of which is better or worse,it is an issue of knowing your circumstance and strength and weakness.

If you can shoot and you are fast and technical go for it. Locking up is fine, but when you say double underhooks, are you going to throw?? Lock up is a great way to get a TD. Your hand around his neck and push back: if he moves forward try to drag him to the mat if he is weak or a fish, bear hug,firmans, headlock etc. If he moves back you got legs. Now keep in mind that this will happen in like a second, power the neck and with the other are lift the guy arm and duck under for the single leg.

So the answer is it is partly circumstance and partly preference. At your weight they will shoot alot (maybe up to 158 at 170 up it slows down a lot)That is why you have to focus on conditioning, if the gasses, and locks up to catch his breath don't give him the chance make him work. Remember 6 minutes non stop.

[jubaji]

Alright guys, next question . When sprawling I generally like to shape both my arms in a 90 degree angle fashion and block with my biceps. Is this position ok or do i want to change it? Also, is shooting better than going for elbow and collar clinch and double underhooks?

If you're only wrestling jv, you should try everything and anything (that your coach has taught you). Now is the time to see what works best for you.



p.s. don't forget the 7 to 1 theory and the shoulder/hip rule

[Bjjexpertise@be]

Maybe i should've rephrased my question. I was wondering what hand positions i should have to block the takedown when i sprawl. I talked to an ex-captain of the team and he said he used to block with his biceps and hook his arms under so i thought i'd try that out. It's not that I'm not fast, it is just that I give the move away when i shoot. That is why i'm bplanning on locking up first. Either lock up and then go for takedown or help me out on shoooting

[jubaji]

Maybe i should've rephrased my question. I was wondering what hand positions i should have to block the takedown when i sprawl. I talked to an ex-captain of the team and he said he used to block with his biceps and hook his arms under so i thought i'd try that out. It's not that I'm not fast, it is just that I give the move away when i shoot. That is why i'm bplanning on locking up first. Either lock up and then go for takedown or help me out on shoooting

Seems to me you should be more concerned with where your hips & legs are than your hands. A lot will depend on how the guy set up his shot and how quickly you saw it coming. If you can get underhooks - great. I hope your coach is working on throws. If you can get just one overhook - great. Crossface and/or set up your own counter.


If you want to lock up, you should be confident about ducks and high singles/high crotch, and throws. A good defensive wrestler can shut down alot from the tie. If you want to work on doubles, low singles, etc. you might not want to tie up all the time, but you certainly want to be that close before you shoot. Keep shooting-you'll get it! Don't be afraid to take a shot that doesn't work out; you can learn alot about recovering and reshooting or continuing into another offensive attack from there. Frequency, frequency--keeping shooting and you'll get there.

[Bjjexpertise@be]

What do i do once i shoot, grab a leg but he sprawls on me yet i stillg et the leg? should i try to spin around?

[jubaji]

What do i do once i shoot, grab a leg but he sprawls on me yet i stillg et the leg? should i try to spin around?

Are we talking about a double or a single or what?

[Bjjexpertise@be]

I am talking about a single leg takedown.