Going to the H.S. Wrestling Tryouts....

[IPON]

That guy seemed to be making sure to touch his knee to the mat before taking a penetration step. Might as well scream "shot!" just before you attempt a takedown.

Jubaji I agree - I was able to hear the audio and it was instructional. But somewhat odd to me. I learned penetration steps in practice we di them the lengh of the room and back (and forth). Teaching teh correct technique and improving speed are separate and I don'ty think he reaches his goal for treaching improvement of TD speed. Also, that other video pulling the tail is silly. It maybe good for BJJ tourneys but not pure wrestling.

[Bjjexpertise@be]

That was what I figured. I thought to myself "if that guy gets sprawled on he is screwed." I checked all his videos and it seems that he always goes to one knee before he shoots.

So I should ignore what he's doing and continue doing penetration steps?

[jubaji]

So I should ignore what he's doing and continue doing penetration steps?

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Yes.

[Bjjexpertise@be]

One quick question. To make sure I am changing levels properly, my lead shoulder should be directly over my lead knee right?

[jubaji]

One quick question. To make sure I am changing levels properly, my lead shoulder should be directly over my lead knee right?

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Yes

[Bjjexpertise@be]

Another question. When watching some of the other wrestlers practice their takedowns, I've noticed they have their arms fully stretched to grab the legs. But according to Renzo Gracie, he says that you shouldn't reach out to grab the leg. What should I do?

[IPON]

BJJ I can only say this again. If you are wrestling listen to wrestlers..period. Renzo is talented in his own right but he is giving advice based on NHB or combat JJ...not wrestling. No offense dude but as usual you are all over the place and understanding little. Go online search for wresling books and information (I have provided many) and your questions will be answered

[Bjjexpertise@be]

Ipon, can you show me pictures of a properly executed takedown with the pentration step and the level change combined into one step? Because all the wrestlers are doing the penetration step and level changes as seperate steps but jubaji and you say that it should be combined into one step...

[IPON]

Because all the wrestlers are doing the penetration step and level changes as seperate steps but jubaji and you say that it should be combined into one step...

It has to be fluent not mechanical. It like learning a form it may have 26 parts. It is broken down into part to make learning easier, but the goal is the 26 part should be seemless. You will not have an effective TD if you telegraph. You will telegraph if you are thinking about teh TD like"oK now I do thin...and now I do this" you lear and develop in practice.

I don't have any pics, but Like I said there are some good wrestling DVD/tapes available

[Bjjexpertise@be]

It has to be fluent not mechanical. It like learning a form it may have 26 parts. It is broken down into part to make learning easier, but the goal is the 26 part should be seemless. You will not have an effective TD if you telegraph. You will telegraph if you are thinking about teh TD like"oK now I do thin...and now I do this" you lear and develop in practice.

I don't have any pics, but Like I said there are some good wrestling DVD/tapes available
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So what you're saying is that learning the take down is like forms. And after you learn it, the move/actions can be combined to make it fluent and fast?

As for the dvd's and videos, my parents think I've spent enough money delving into the grappling archives and think that I shouldn't spend any more on it

[jubaji]

Ipon, can you show me pictures of a properly executed takedown with the pentration step and the level change combined into one step? Because all the wrestlers are doing the penetration step and level changes as seperate steps ...

Don't forget they are just high school kids too.

[Bjjexpertise@be]

So far I've been doing the 'box exercises'(where you jump up on a box and jump back down on the other side), jump roping, running, working on finger strength and such. Is there anything else I can do? I can't live wrestle because there's nobody to practice with

[jubaji]

So far I've been doing the 'box exercises'(where you jump up on a box and jump back down on the other side), jump roping, running, working on finger strength and such. Is there anything else I can do? I can't live wrestle because there's nobody to practice with

Sounds like you're doing well. Don't forget to hit the weights.

[Bjjexpertise@be]

I've been practicing takedowns lately and a question came to mine. Would it be better if I had a short penetration step or a deep one? I ask because it seems that my takedown would be faster with a shorter penetration step whilst when I take a deep penetration step my take down seems slower.

[jubaji]

I've been practicing takedowns lately and a question came to mine. Would it be better if I had a short penetration step or a deep one? I ask because it seems that my takedown would be faster with a shorter penetration step whilst when I take a deep penetration step my take down seems slower.

You want the deepest penetration possible. Penetration continues through the target, the distance from you to the target doesn't change.