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  • #31
    Well Joe, let me tell you a story...

    When I was just a little sh*t, about 9, my neighbors had a shepherd mix named Bullet. Bullet was chained all day. I loved that damn dog even though he wasn't mine. I'd play with him, pet him, Hell, I paid more attention to the dog then his owner did.

    One day, Bullet broke off the chain. I saw him, and being the dumb little kid I was, decided to bring him back. Now remember, this dog never even so much as growled at me. But when I went to grab his collar he bit. He didn't maul me, and he didn't even bite me bad. But he did bite me hard enough to bring blood.

    My Uncle saw my hand and asked what happened. Now, my Uncle is the one who raised hounds, and knew more about raising dogs than anyone I ever met. The man was a born and bred hunter and his dogs would circle a rabbit to us quick as hell.

    Any way, he said something to the effect of "Damn fool kid, that's what happens when you try to catch a chained dog." He basically explained it to me the way I did above, in my other post.

    After the fact, that dog still loved me and I still played with him, and he never did so much as growl at me.

    As far as owners, I agree with you. I'd go so far as to say if a dog starts growling at you, you put him in his place or put him down. Because more than likely, that dog will bite eventually. But the fact is, the dog wasn't mine.

    Let's say the same thing happened with one of your dogs. Say you're some idiot that treats his dogs the same way. I'd think that there is a good chance your dog may snap on a kid who did the same thing. Even though that dog may have played with the kid day in and day out.

    If you want some clear, scientific evidence that chains make a dog mean, I don't have it. All I have is my experience.

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    • #32
      LOL! I see the Pit Dog/Joe Manco fan club has assembled and come to “order.” Do you guys have a secret handshake?

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      • #33
        LOL, Mickey - but the handshake is really just a circlejerk of the same guy stroking himself with different names.

        Water Dragon:
        Hmmmm ... well, in all honesty I cannot really speak about a circumstance I wasn't there to witness, nor about I dog I never was around personally.

        I will give you my *interpretation* of what happened, based on what I DO know of my own dogs. Your uncle may be right about COON hounds, I don't know their peculiarities. I can tell you 100% for sure that there are MANY bulldogs (and I imagine dogs in general) whose *whole world* is their chain space. They are happy on the chain and they are outgoing and confident on a chain.

        However, *some* freak out when taken OFF the chain. They are out of their "space" and are now in uncharted territory. They will freeze up and not know what to do. Put them on a leash and they flatten out and refuse to walk or budge an inch. You really have to work with these dogs daily to get them out of their shell. Being well-bred with temperament standards in mind, they won't bite, but I would certainly imagagine that they would feel much more intimidated by a stranger "out of their element" than they would when he's on the chain.

        Put them back on their chain, and they are a happy, confident dog once again ... because that is THEIR space and they feel comfortable there.

        My speculation is that is what happened with the dog you experienced. Your uncle I believe was misinterpreting what was happening. The dog was simply INTIMIDATED by a stranger's (your) attempt to grab him while he was running around out of his element and insecure ... but the moment he was put back on his chain, where he felt at home, he was fine.

        That would be my interpretation.

        I believe to suggest that when you go to grab a loose dog he somehow"knows" whether it's to put him back on the chain ... as opposed to putting a leash on him, taking him inside, etc. ... is simply giving a dog more credit for brains than they deserve. Dogs can be very intelligent, I am well aware of this, but a STABLE dog does not arbitrarily bite someone for trying to get ahold of him. Again, that's why they're domesticated, so they SUBMIT to man. GOOD breeders breed any kind of sketchy temperaments OUT of their dogs by culling any such unfit individuals.

        Still, if a dog is taken off his chain (or gets off), many ARE infact a little spooked out of their element in the big, big world. A good dog might be a little shy if a stranger tries to grab him ... whereas a temperamentally-flawed individual might bite the stranger ... exactly as you described. But a TRULY good dog would just wag his tail as if to say, "What's up, dude!", and be 100% confident at all times.

        Yours truly,

        Joe


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        • #34
          Originally posted by Joe Manco
          LOL, Mickey - but the handshake is really just a circlejerk of the same guy stroking himself with different names.
          LOL Pit Dog. Oops, I mean Joe.

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          • #35
            >>Wipe your nose, son. I don't really care what's "impossible" for you to believe or not. Your brain's inability to comprehend the FACTS I just told you is a qualitiative assessment of YOU ... not of the reality you
            cannot comprehend. <<

            You must employ some kind of automatic response tag that you cut and paste every time someone disagrees with you or exposes you for the con that you are. Repetition is indeed the highlight of your tangents.

            >> I will repeat myself for the learning impaired: I have raised literally HUNDREDS of dogs on chains over the last 11 years and NOT ONE ever became mean as a result. I am not popping off with a theory I invented out of my head, like you and WD, I am speaking from bonafide experience. <<

            Let me explain to you why this statement means absolute shlt to me. You are a con, plain and simple. I don't believe half the imaginary, delusional, pesudo-philopsophical ramblings you spew on here. God knows what goes on behind your grandfather's shed. God knows what goes on in your life period. One thing is for sure, you're full of shit, and it becomes apparent every time you speak. However, this only seems doubtful to the cultishly inclined.

            Having you promise me that none of your dogs has become aggressive from this practice is like saying you actually regard their welfare beyond a dollar sign. LOL! Give it up. You're white trash, the bonafide sort that wears it around his neck like a medal.

            >>By contrast, please give me an in-depth analysis as to how a dog perceives being put on a chain as "punishment" that will make him mean ... while being placed behind the bars of a kennel will be perceived as a great joy that he will find "fun." I want a detailed write-up of this + your resume of qualifications and experience to open your mouth on the subject. <<

            What the f'ck are yout alking about? The reason animals are placed in kennels is because of dickheads like you who breed them as f'cking monsters. What you fail to realize because you are functioning on a Southern IQ is that they are going to eventually die a much more painful, violent death by the likes of you.

            If you didn't selectively breed violent animals, animals that re not simply a commodity then we wouldn't have to euthanize these animals you moron.

            You're the problem, not animal shelters. They are there to clean up your mess.

            You really must be this dim.

            And by the way, the only detailed analysis you deserve is an in-depth psychoanalysis. I have worked with dogs all of my life as well as many other animals. I have worked in a number of shelters and dealt with cases that have involved animal abuse, so you are correct you might have more hands on experience in the actual abuse of animals than I do. But you see, beyond that there is obviously no intellectual or insightful challenge on the behavior of animals from the likes of you.

            A dog being on a chain is an unnatural state for it to be in. When it is forced to be on a chain, the odds are high that it will lash out for being dragged back on its chain once again. Being domestic or not there are always traits within an animal that are connected to its wild ancestory. You do not understand this because you run a puppy mill, a business, you are not required to understand dogs. You simply chain them and sell them to someone else so they can then deal with these inherent traits.

            Is every dog going to react violently to being on a chain? No. But at the same time every dog that doesn't is not going to necessarily be a well adjusted animal either you goon.
            There will be animals who become meek, and disjointed because of it. And there will be animals who lash out visciously. Either way you run the risk of creating an undesriable problem for the existence of that animal, and the way it relates to humans. There are animals that might be damaged enough to be kept on a chain, and they never show any protest, but they can just as well show protest in other aspects of their behavior because of this treatment. Again, you think you are dealing with predictable robots, and it is fully obvious you pay no attention to the realistic aspects of animal behavior.

            The odds of a chain causing maladjusted behavior in dog are obvious. If you take any animal human, wild, or domestic, and force them into an unnatural situation for a significant period of time, you run the risk of causing unpredictable, maladjusted behavior.

            It doesn't have to do solely with gentic potential you a$$.

            Your solution is to simply kill an animal that may have suffered from this, my solution it to bury the owner that has caused it.

            If you are unable to sort out these conclusions through the basic process of logic thought, then it is apparent why you have such difficulty dealing with people as well.

            You in turn spend your waking hours scouring the internet for the attention that father never gave you.

            >>Hey rockhead: I just got through telling you this has never happened to me ONCE. In 11 years. If anyone lacks "the intellligence or insight to garner common sense conclsuions in regards to their behavior" it would be YOU. This simply doesn't happen. EVER. With any breed ... unless you have a totally unacceptable individual who would bite you for any number of reasons, chain or no chain. And YES, such an
            individual should be put down. <<

            (You see this is where Pimp Dog goes on autopilot exposing his lack of substance when it comes to actual debate. He is unable to logically or rationally debate the matter so he therefore clouds his disapproval in ornate put downs, and childish rubbing.)

            >>The only thing you got right is, YES, I *have* "little concern" for domesticated dogs who cannot be handled without risk of biting their handler. Such animals absolutely SHOULD be put down.<<

            Yeah, but you see genius, people like you inflict, and cause that behavior, so you are to blame.

            >>As for your final laughable statement, sorry, no one who buys an $800 - $1,000 dog from me is going to stick it in the pound. My customer base is formed of serious enthusiasts, not blowhard novices LIKE YOU who buy a dog, have no idea how to keep it, and so dump in the pound because they can't handle it. They're a little passed the idiot stage by the time they come to me.<<

            Yes, the selling of your toy army men is a serious investment and the risk of someone being unable to deal with or care for that animal is impossibility. Please! The white trash committee that you sell these animals to is made up of people like you who have little interest in an animal's actual welfare. I'm sure that if the animal fails to morph into the monster that they expected then it would be fairly easy for them to find a way to dispose of them. If you love animals so much, beyond their potential profit, then go rescue one from the pound.

            The difference between a shelter, and what you do Dim Dog is that a shelter is a necessary evil for those people like you who treat animals as if they were candy wrappers. When they humanely put an animal to sleep they are making an inevitable, undesriable choice. You fight and sell dogs as tools for a juvenile hobby. You're last concern is the safety of these animals beyond what they can do for you.

            Come off it already, you're a pathetic middle aged man with no serious prospects for the future. You have trouble dealing with people so you focus on the one thing you can reasonable control, and that is dogs. You live out your own failed juvenile fantasies between them. You're a child, a severely sociopathic one. All the self-hate you possess cannot be contained forever. When we step back and look at you, we see a sad little man who is indeed doomed to a future suicide.

            Carry on.

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            • #36
              Hey Joe...

              I agree with your theory on how dogs DO NOT become "mean" or overly aggressive when chained. I have 4 dogs back in my home. A chow mix in the front yard and two pure white korean Jindos. Do you know what kind of dog Im talking about? Anyways, after he was one year old, we've kept the male Gindo chained. It was always jumping our fences so we just chained it. 3 years later, he is still as happy and he has never EVER bit anyone, and we have several family members going in and out of the yards. We trust it enough to let my baby cousin play with it and nothing has happened at all.


              Anywayz, do you know anything about the Jindo breed? In korea they are often set up to fight wild boars for sport. In North Korea they even matched it up with an old Siberian Tiger. I was just curious if you knew anything about them. They are a fighting breed and they have a good sense of direction, but thats all I know about them. Perhaps you can enlighten me?

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              • #37
                Tiger:
                I have heard of them, yes, but spelled "Chin-do." But yes, a Korean fighting dog of sorts. Never seen one, but if that is it in the picture, a very beautiful dog, similar to the true Japanese akita (not the "big-headed" American version).

                You know, I rented the move The Edge last night w/ Anthony Hopkins and Alec Baldwin, and they had a lot of footage of Canada (even though it was supposed to be Alaska, LOL) ... reminds me a lot of that picture. What state do you live in?

                Yours truly,

                Joe


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                • #38
                  I live in Mississauga, a big ass suburb outside of Toronto in Ontario. My dogs are being kept in LA with my grandmother. I remember one time we sold our male Chin-do 20 miles away from our house. The next day, the damn dog ran off and went BACK to our house. That dog has a really good sense of direction. And its scales walls like mad too! It climbed a ladder once to jump the barbwire, we have problems with our dog once in awhile, but we dont have the heart to give it away anymore. In korea, the Chin-do dogs are kept on this one island and DO not allow them to stray outside the island for fear of contamination from other breeds. One bitch on the island managed to HUNT and KILL a deer and bring back the carcass back to her master. Is that amazing or what? But occasionally a couple slip out! (like ours)

                  Thanks anyway though, there is very little information on the Chin-do. I wish I could find out more...


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                  • #39
                    I hate to sound like a little girl, but damn those guys are cute!

                    Pit bull puppies are also endearing, although you can feel the bones in your arm creak when they bite down (with no teeth!).

                    I'd like to get a dog, but first I need a job, a house, and a huge backyard.

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                    • #40
                      BRAVO Sleevesleep!!!!!!!!!!!

                      Sleevesleep f u k i n nails Shit Dog to the wall! Thank God there are actually a few people left on this forum that can see through Shit Dog's self-serving philosophy. Once again, BRAVO SLEEVESLEEP!!!! you nailed the bastard.

                      How the mighty have fallen. Now that Pit doesn't get a daily dose of adulation from his band of IQ starved teenagers he will probably disappear for a while (remember he promised never to come back here - what a pussy).

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                      • #41
                        Yeah, I love them! They dont get too too big either. But with a Chin-do, they HATE other dogs, when we took it to get its shots, it tried to pick a fight with every dog. It took myself and my father to hold it back. And the females get really jealous of other dogs, it tried to kill my female chow so she wouldnt have to "share" me. Once they spent 3 hrs growling at each other through a door. And with the rare occasion that they fight, they always spill blood. When they had their jaws locked on each others throats, we had to stick a hose down their mouths to make them let go.

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                        • #42
                          Geez, and some people think I'M obsessed with Pit Dog!

                          Beatle, don't millionaire computer-scientists have better things to do with their spare time than flame opinionated dog-breeders?

                          C'mon man, go invent HAL or something.

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                          • #43
                            Hey Ronin, why don't you **** off and quit being a friggin chearleader for Pit Dog. He can defend himself without your rimming. As for my time, I think you'll find I spend a fraction of the time most of you regulars do, in any case, I don't need a social secretary, so piss off.

                            I never did understand why trhe regulars of this forum put up with Pit endlessly spewing rhetorical about dog-fighting. For Crissake, what has dogs ripping into each other have to do with BJJ & MMA? Don't even try and make the connection, there isn't one.

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                            • #44
                              Beatle:

                              You are starting to come across like an even bigger ass than Pit dog. Lighten up! This is the Internet, not real life.

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                              • #45
                                Ronin:

                                LOL, I *can* be an a$$, can't I?

                                However, it is always kinda obvious I am just fukken around when I troll, is it not?

                                The difference here is ... not only is Tez/Beatle/SleepSleave unwittingly trying to COPY my evil troll style ... but he does it in such a pathological, robot way that (1) it is not very loose and informal, (2) it is not very funny, and (3) it belies his own very obsessed, very twisted personality.

                                In trying to assault me so vehemently, he is just painting a clearer picture of himself.

                                When I insulted you Ronin (LOL), it was just in reference to our conversations. I never truly tried to launch a real attack on you as a person ... because there was never any true anger/obsession involved

                                This guy is just a morose freak who feels slighted and is looking for some sort of twisted validation for when he felt I "wronged" him several months ago.

                                You really need counseling, Tez.

                                Yours truly,

                                Joe


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