JJ, Judo or BJJ for self defense?

[Panagiotis97]

i have practiced boxing Wing Chun
now i am looking for a grappling art

what is more suitable for self defense?
Jiu Jitsu, Judo or BJJ?

i know Judo is (mostly) about throws and that BJJ is (more) about ground fighting, what about Japanese JJ?

so what do you think is best for real life situation,
that has usable effective techniques?

is it better/prefered/easier to just throw the opponent down or get down with him and wrestle?

[kid_chocolate]

re

Judo and bjj are best because they train in a more realistic way against a resisting opponent. I'm sure you knew that already.

[IPON]

Re: re

Originally posted by kid_chocolate
Judo and bjj are best because they train in a more realistic way against a resisting opponent. I'm sure you knew that already.

Exactly, but i would not be quick to dismiss JJJ. I have seen JJJ dojos that were pathetic and some that were very good.

So really it depends on where you live and what is available to you. Judo is very consistant interms of training. JJJ some are advertising JJJ that really not qualified, likewise not all BJJ instructors are qualified to teach but they are jumping on the finacial bandwagon.

JJJ, BJJ and judo each have there stregths and weaknesses over each other, but with your boxing I would say Judo or BJJ as well

[Szczepankiewicz]

From what I've seen of all three arts (I've done all three).

Judo does not address self-defense. Nothing I've seen in the curriculum deals with self-preservation skills. The physical skills you pick up in Judo are valuable and applicable, however, Judo does not address the key factor of self-defense.

BJJ is an excellent and fun art to train in for grappling. If you get a good instructor you should develop strong foundational grappling ability. None of the BJJ I've trained in dealt with SD explicitly.

All of my Judo and BJJ (all totaled together it's about a year's worth of training) has been 100% sport oriented. The methods, techniques, and training are geared for sport. The skills can be translated to self defense but I haven't seen anyone do it yet.

JJJ is high risk. This is my primary art. All we do is self-preservation. This training is 0% sport. When I grapple after class to 'play' we have to keep a self-defense spin on it to avoid the chagrin of my instructor.

JJJ is high risk because you have no idea what you're going to get. Our system is homoginized from multiple arts. Straight up JJJ can get you anything from good self defense skills to attending a McDojo belt factory.

If you want self defense grappling you're gonna have to hunt for it. A good instructor (no matter the art) will be able to address your concerns. If they cannot, find one who can.

Once again we get back to the old saying "It's not the art, but the artist that counts" and in this case, "It's not the art, but the instructor".

Self Defense is 95% mental and 5% physical. If you find yourself in a physical situation you flucked up somewhere along the way.

Fighting, both sport and street, is a different story. If you want to kick someone's butt then go BJJ. And that will work great until you find someone who's not going to play that game and hand you your ass in a bloody mess.

Enjoy.

Spanky

[Mr. Miyagi]

If you're already quite experienced with wing chun, then any of the three grappling arts can be good complements. With JJ, make sure it's not a bs school, since many of them are. BJJ and Judo are great, since you've already trained a lot you may not want to pick judo since you will have to spend so much time learning things that are not applicable to a real fight.

[Szczepankiewicz]

What things in Judo are not applicable in a 'real fight'?

[Thai Bri]

Grabbing hold of someone without any regards for being punched and kicked.

Holding someone down for thirty seconds and calling it a win.

Not putting your fingers in their eyes, and not expecting them to do it to you.

Same as biting, hair pulling, and generally being ungentlemanly.

Restriciting submissions to moves on the stranbgles, chokes and moves on the elbow.

Wearing big pyjamas, being barefoot, and only ever fighting on a mat.

Having a referee.

Weight categories.

Having absolutley no pre confrontation strategy whatsoever.

Etc. etc. etc. I'm a fan of Judo, but you have to admit that it is a sport. And the rules are probably as restricitve as just about any other. OK, they are rock hard and have some ace techniques, practiced on fully resisting opponents. But you did ask.

[MrPoopy]

No matter what you choose, go check it out first. I know it will be hard to distinguish a good grappling class from a bad one, just use your best judgement.

I've rolled with a student from a japanese jiu jitsu school once. He was sporting a black belt and acted like he was something. This guy was the living definition of fraud. I kicked his ass for 4 hours.

Later I found out that his instructor was claiming to be a BJJ black belt and he was also full of crap.

See if they offer a free class. Don't sign any contracts. If they are legit grapplers then they should have no prob doing you in if you don't have much grappling experience.

As for Bri's opinions on what is a sport, most of those things exist in any martial arts class. If you're going to train, you need to use mats. You can't gauge peoples eyes out if you are training. You must restrict grappling moves to those that can be performed with a lesser chance of hurting your partner. Just try punching or kicking a top notch Judoka after he's got a nice hold of you. You'll be on your ass.

Sure, Judo is a sport. It wasn't created to be super kick your ass martial art. But it has self defense applications, and you can't deny it.

[osopardo]

Originally posted by MrPoopy
You can't gauge peoples eyes out if you are training. You

How else would you learn how to do it?

[MrPoopy]

The point is, you can't actually do it when you're training. They'll just have you pretending like your sticking the guy in the eye.

[osopardo]

Pretending? That doesn't work. All you'll get that way is that they'll flinch and counter. Not the least effective.

[Thai Bri]

Pooper - just to clarify. I didn't deny it. I was just answering Spunkers question.

[Szczepankiewicz]

Same as biting, hair pulling, and generally being ungentlemanly.

Oh no, we do that in Judo... but ya gotta pay extra.

Excellent list Brian.

Now post what is good about Judo that can be applied to 'street encounters'.



Spanky

[Thai Bri]

Hard contact

Unco-operative opponents

Controlling their weight

Hard throws that can dump people into the concrete on their heads.

A reasonable array of submissions and good groundwork skills.

Fantastic fitness.



In all, if a Spanky-Like Fairy came up to me and said she could bestow me with the skills and attributes of a good Judo Black Belt, I would readily agree. And I am choosy.

[osopardo]

WTF?!? Did he just call you a fairy?