Choking

[platinum_angel]

We don't teach chokes in self-defense. We don't encourage the techniques for this, and several other reasons.
Spanky

why not , i get taught chokes all the times in bjj. mabye i misunderstand

[Szczepankiewicz]

Nick,

Is your BJJ training geared for self-defense, fighting, or sport competition?

[osopardo]

It's ok to choke, just don't choke.

[platinum_angel]

ok i see what your saying........my training is geared about 50 - 50 right now.........but for self-defense training you don't need to choke into unconsiousness in order to get the right level of training.......in chokeing you can train the same way in compitition or self-defense

[gracilva]

ummm, till blue.

[Szczepankiewicz]

Platinum,

Think about this... if you're choking a guy when do you know when you should stop? When he taps? When he goes limp? What if he doesn't know he's supposed to tap? The guy can't converse with you because you have his vocal chords shut down. How does he let you know he gives up?

What if he's faking the tap or faking going limp to exit. Remember, you're in a self-defense situation with someone who's gone off on you trying to hurt you in a bad way. Are you just gonna let go of the choke and let the guy, who was just trying to take your head off with a 2x4 get back on his feet?

This is not a fight in the ring or among people who know each other. This is something where you're in a very bad spot trying desparately to survive.



Compare a joint lock with a choke:

You can talk to a guy when he's in an arm bar and he can respond.

You can tighten or loosen the lock dependent on how you percieve his level of cooperation. You can get them to move without releasing the lock. You can lock someone up without them going ballistic trying to escape what they believe to be a lethal intent on your part.

You can hyperextend the joint and cause him severe pain and even joint damage without killing him. So if you're all adrenalized and overact, you won't be going to prison for murder/manslaughter.

These are just a few examples. I can provide you with many more if you like.

Spanky

[Szczepankiewicz]

I'm curious to why not. You might be able to drop a few safety tips for training.

Kengar,

What's that saying: When all you have is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail.



Spanky

[Cain]

Hmm.. "when you have a person in an armbar, you can ask them how it is, and you can break it and that hurts blablahblablah"...


if you have someone in an armbar.. they ARE going to make it impossible for you to ever have kids again, they ARE going to eat half of your one calf away. And if he is under the influence of some drug, you don't have a chance doing such things...


so NOT using chokes (and hence getting less training in avoiding getting chokes, reversing chokeholds.. and so on) is a bad thing..

[platinum_angel]

you know enough is when the guy taps. that is if your training. if your fighting then you should have someone supervising....he can tell. you shouldn't just forget about training chokes.

[JaredExtreme]

Kengar,

What's that saying: When all you have is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail.



Spanky

You took that from Cakegirl's signature !! I wonder what ever happened to her...

[Szczepankiewicz]

Cain,

And IF a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass hoppin'.

If you want to train so that you will take a bad guy to the ground and choke him until he 'taps out' then be my guest.

I'm sure with all your combat experience you could really teach me a thing or two about self-defense.

I've posted many times that I'm not one that has real world 'street fighting experience'. Pray enlighten me. What has worked for you in the past?

Spanky

[platinum_angel]

dude with severed penis,

"If you want to train so that you will take a bad guy to the ground and choke him until he 'taps out' then be my guest."

the reason why training choking until taping is good in all situations is because its common sense not to let go of your choke.

"hmmmmmm this guy is going to kill i think i'll choke him till he taps" later in the hospital "darn i guess i'll have to train self-defense chokeing.......oh wait we can't do that because we would have to kill each other.".................thats your kind of thinking.

"I'm sure with all your combat experience you could really teach me a thing or two about self-defense."

ahhhh trying to change the subject i see. whats wrong can't keep up your end of the arguement

platinum_angel

[osopardo]

.....but for self-defense training you don't need to choke into unconsiousness in order to get the right level of training...

No actually I meant don't choke. Don't chicken out. Don't let fear stop you. Don't slap the choke on and then quit before taking it all the way. It is important to learn how to apply a choke correctly to unconciousness then bring the opponent back to conciousness. It is equally important to experience the choke when you're on the receiving end. I'ts like full contact striking but definetely not as damaging. I mean I've been choked out and knocked out and the next day after being choked out was definitely better than after being knocked out.

Except,


MAKE DAMN SURE YOU HAVE A QUALIFIED EXPERIENCED INSTRUCTOR SUPERVISING THE WHOLE THING CLOSELY, PREFERABLY SOMEONE TRAINED IN FIRST AID AND CPR!!!

[Szczepankiewicz]

Plat,

What if he doesn't know he's supposed to tap?

And no, I'm not changing the subject. I wanna know how many times you or Cain have choked someone out in self-defense? How many occaisons did the bad guy 'tap'?


I am not saying don't train chokes. I am not saying don't use chokes. What I am saying is there are better, safer ways to train people for self-defense. Choking for Self-Defense is an advanced topic with serious consequences. Be prepared to deal with them young fella.


But like I said mate, if you wanna choke, by all means...

Spanky

[platinum_angel]

thanks i will choke to my hearts desire