Technique question.. please read

[GuardMaster]

Forum:

It's easy to put a beginner into the guard. Just jump into it and lock the legs. From there one can go on to defend and attack. The kukuk, Sperry, and Pedro tapes teach techniques once someone has ACQUIRED this position.

The difficulty is that acquiring this position is not always an easy task. Once your opponent is aware of the guard he'll either try to pass it, pin your legs, or swing the legs over if you try to put him into it. Thus jumping into the guard will probably backfire, leaving you in a worse position (like pinned in side control)

So my question is this: how do you get the advanced students to come into the guard?? I'm looking for a list of all options... Baiting.. Agressive Techniques. You name it. I am one of the smallest in my school and tend to rely on this position more often. Please advise..


GuardMaster

[SweepEm]

For a good game of strategy in BJJ, you need set ups.

For instance, if you are sparring on the knees, what happens when an opponent grabs your arm and Gi Collar and pushes you back? You instinctively lean forward. As your opponent leans forward, you can pull them into your guard.
Push and pull, keep them off balance.

But for the novices, they have tunnel vision and only can think of one move and keep trying for it.

It is kind of amusing to go against someone that is not as experienced as you are, and you can practically read their mind and know what type of move they are going to try, and of course, you naturally counter their move.

[John Bennett]

GM are you talking about from standing?

[GuardMaster]

Guard

John: Standing or kneeling. In both cases jumping into a closed guard is hard to pull off on the advanced students.

[John Bennett]

That's true.

One method from standing is to place one foot on the guy's hip and sit down for a tomoe nage throw (see: http://judocd.com/bin/Judo.dll/TomoeNage.mpg ).

If the guy sprawls to avoid the tomoenage, slide your foot off his hip and pull him into your guard. If he doesn't, flip him and mount.

From kneeling, like Sweep'em said... Take a standard grip. Shove against the guy real hard. He will compensate by leaning in, spreading his knees for base, and throwing his elbows up. That's when you quickly jerk him toward you and throw your legs around his waist.

Try it and let me know how it works.

[SweepEm]

Guard Dude,
how long have you been training?

Ask your instructor a few pointers when you are sparring to work on. He will know your strengths and weaknesses where you can learn to work on certain points to make it much easier for transitions.

If you keep training, you WILL get better and soon, the beginners will be frustrated by your advanced moves.

[GuardMaster]

Placing in Guard

Guys:

I decided to offbalance the advanced students judo style holding the arm and gi collar and pushing towards them, then trying to put them in my guard as they came forward and I was successful! Thanks for the tips.

Sweep'em: I started ground grappling about 6 years ago, but just got back into it after a 3 years layoff. So continously I've been grappling about a month at Canada's Bravado Juijitsu Academy (formerly known as Grappling Arts Academy).

Believe it or not at 185 pounds I'm the second smallest in weight at the school! There all BIG guys, which means I tend to rely more on guard position than I used to. However I noticed my speed advantage makes a difference. I'm only 5'7" and won't be satisfied till I drop in weight to 145 or so. I doubt the extra weight advantage I'd keep by staying at 185 would help since I work off the bottom almost all of the time.

GuardMaster

[david a]

One of my faves that works for me is when we are standing in a clinch, I pull him forward and off balance holding his head down and grasping the back of his right elbow. I wait until he is bent far enough, and then I drop all my weight pulling down hard on his head and pulling down his arm and fall into the guard.(Royce did this to Shamrock in UFC 1) This seems to work for me, maybe because I am shorter than most of my opponents.
A variation would be to drape my arm over his shoulder, if he is bend down far enough and grasp his belt at his lower back and fall into guard(Royce did this to Hackney in UFC 4)

Explosiveness is the key for me especially against bigger opponents.

[RYAN410]

WORK HARD FOR THE NXT FEW MONTHS AND IMPROVE YOUR ABILITY TO PASS THE GUARD CONSISTENTLY ON OTHERS. YOUR GAME WILL BECOME MORE BALANCED AND U WON'T STRESS WHEN U END UP IN SOMEONES GUARD...I WEIGH ABOUT THE SAME AS YOU SO IT SOUNDS LIKE U TRAIN WITH GENETIC FREEKS OR FAT BOYS....I'M CONSIDERED BIG AT MY SCHOOL..LL.

[Chop Wisby]

tech. thread

bttt

[dan downard]

You may as well go ahead and be on the bottom.Then when you feel confident enough to defend just about anything from there,start going for positions.Then once you are able to get and hold positions start working on your subs.
No point in learning a bunch of subs if you can never get em to work.
Position first.Then subs.

[Chop Wisby]

true.

yeah, no use in collecting waza that you can't apply; learn to work position, then get your sub.

[dan downard]

Training with larger guys ,and being small would make me want to play an open guard rather than closed guard.
Go for escapes and sweeps and reversals.
Then get position and hold it.
Stay on top and make that big guy tired and mad.
Then choke.Arm bar.Or whatever
The problem with going for subs on a big guy without getting position first is that you almost always endup in a really bad position if you miss it.

[guardman]

Originally posted by GuardMaster
Forum:

It's easy to put a beginner into the guard. Just jump into it and lock the legs. From there one can go on to defend and attack. The kukuk, Sperry, and Pedro tapes teach techniques once someone has ACQUIRED this position.

The difficulty is that acquiring this position is not always an easy task. Once your opponent is aware of the guard he'll either try to pass it, pin your legs, or swing the legs over if you try to put him into it. Thus jumping into the guard will probably backfire, leaving you in a worse position (like pinned in side control)

So my question is this: how do you get the advanced students to come into the guard?? I'm looking for a list of all options... Baiting.. Agressive Techniques. You name it. I am one of the smallest in my school and tend to rely on this position more often. Please advise..


GuardMaster

the guard is the essence of bjj. i love the guard more than any position in bjj. the guard fascinates me. sometime i work the guard with an opponent i know will pass but i'm not scared to give up position. do not worry about who will pass and who wont. just work the guard and you will grow. if you worry too much about opponents passing than you will not grow. its time to work open guard rather than closed guard. this will get your guard to and offensive level rather than defensive. the key to an offensive guard are sweeps. learn them learn them well. drill them go for sweeps. the first time you try sweeping you will get passed but thereafter you will be proficient. it is natural for your guard to be defensive at first. it is a natural step. but eventuall you will have to open your guard and attack.

[bear]

Once you get to know your opponents a little better you will get used to their passing styles. Practise the open guard and learn to defend the guard passes...hope this helps...merry Christmas to all