Clinch or takedown

[Bjjexpertise@be]

I'd have to say the only 2 no gi judo throws I really use are the ippon seoi nage and harai goshi. More power to you, SamuraiGuy. I usually set up takedowns by tapping on the head and faking a shot and footwork. I'm usually quick enough to get in on the opponent using this way but I'm sure it differs from person to person.

[Shard]

Clinch-
Its all about the options. Knees, dirty boxing, all the way to takedowns and hip throws.

Unless its against a MT guy. Or against a considerably stronger opponent.
It thats the case, then these people have the advantage over you, either being better versed in it or simply being able to out muscle you.

Otherwise a clinch is a much more versatile option. The more options availble to you, the more your opponent has to defend against thus the higher chance of pulling off something advantageous.

[MasterGrappler]

I'd have to say the only 2 no gi judo throws I really use are the ippon seoi nage and harai goshi. More power to you, SamuraiGuy. I usually set up takedowns by tapping on the head and faking a shot and footwork. I'm usually quick enough to get in on the opponent using this way but I'm sure it differs from person to person.

Doing throws like the Ippon , you have to give your back to the opponent, and if your fighting a BJJ fighter, giving your back is a really really bad idea UNLESS you are a black belt in Judo and can execute that move REALLY fast

I posted this before but it shows some of the Judo throws and their names:

http://www.judoinfo.com/techdraw.htm

[Bjjexpertise@be]

I used to wrestle and I can say that I am able to pull that move off a good percentage of the time. When I do fail I usually have good enough hip movement and scrambling ability to either get back into standing position or into my guard.

[Shard]

Doing throws like the Ippon , you have to give your back to the opponent, and if your fighting a BJJ fighter, giving your back is a really really bad idea UNLESS you are a black belt in Judo and can execute that move REALLY fast

I posted this before but it shows some of the Judo throws and their names:


http://www.judoinfo.com/techdraw.htm

Giving your back does not automatically put you at a disadvanatge. By the time you fully give your back, your opponent is practically off their feet or on the way off their feet.

Hell even Sambo practioners use their back as bait. They can quickly turn from almost beign suplexed to giving a knee bar to their opponent.

But yes, unless you know what the hell you are doing. Giving your back as you execute a throw can put you in a load of shit.

[J-Luck]

Well when you go for those moves you are also vulnerable to get tossed on your ass also, so takedowns are more reliable, unless youre a black belt in Judo

Well, you could just be a decent wrestler with good timing, set-ups, and technique. Then you can make those high % moves.

[J-Luck]

Doing throws like the Ippon , you have to give your back to the opponent, and if your fighting a BJJ fighter, giving your back is a really really bad idea UNLESS you are a black belt in Judo and can execute that move REALLY fast

I posted this before but it shows some of the Judo throws and their names:


http://www.judoinfo.com/techdraw.htm

Again, you could just be a decent wrestler.

Oh, weren't you the dumbass who advocated hip throws in MMA when I was the one who shut you up and stated multiple respected BJJ black belts who disagreed with you?

Tool. TOOLY TOOLY TOOLY TOOL!! lol. Sorry.

[J-Luck]

Giving your back does not automatically put you at a disadvanatge. By the time you fully give your back, your opponent is practically off their feet or on the way off their feet.

Hell even Sambo practioners use their back as bait. They can quickly turn from almost beign suplexed to giving a knee bar to their opponent.

But yes, unless you know what the hell you are doing. Giving your back as you execute a throw can put you in a load of shit.

See, oma doesn't know much about kuzushi. He's probably never even hit an ippon seoi nage in randori.

[J-Luck]

I prefer takedowns, but I usually turn them into slams(whenever the environment is condusive... I don't usually try to hurt training partners). I prefer the stun/out of breath effect of a slam and if you immediately capitalize, it can turn a match in your favor. It's also good for self defense.
Picture a sweeping single leg on pavement, or better yet, a firemans/dump or lifted double leg.

[Adept]

Oh, weren't you the dumbass who advocated hip throws in MMA when I was the one who shut you up and stated multiple respected BJJ black belts who disagreed with you?

lol....damn, J-Luck, you are relentless. Don't be too hard on the KID. You're going to make him commit suicide or something and then we'll all feel bad about bashing up on him.

Back to topic:

This could be because I have a Judo base, but I prefer to get into the clinch and go for a foot/leg sweep instead of a shoulder throw. I use some shooting in, too, but my shoots are like Royce Gracie's in UFC 1. I just don't want to mess my knees up, even with a knee pad.

[gaittec]

If it's MMA, the clinch makes more sense.
Shooting a double can have great results;but, it can be a disaster if the guy sprawls and gets your back or if he kicks you in the head or knees you just as you commit. (see Hughes vrs. GSP) There is one good thing and three or four bad things that can happen.

If you clinch and try for a takedown, he might reverse you and get the takedown;but, he won't likely be able to finish you with one kick or punch.
So there is likely one good thing and only one bad thing that can happen if you clinch first.

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

I'd have to say the only 2 no gi judo throws I really use are the ippon seoi nage and harai goshi. More power to you, SamuraiGuy. I usually set up takedowns by tapping on the head and faking a shot and footwork. I'm usually quick enough to get in on the opponent using this way but I'm sure it differs from person to person.

how bout uchi mata? i think the mma guys call it a wizard.

[Bjjexpertise@be]

Close but not quite, it's called a whizzer. That's actually how I do my Harai Goshi's. I fake a head and arm then get a wizzer and let it rip.

[SamuraiGuy]

See, oma doesn't know much about kuzushi. He's probably never even hit an ippon seoi nage in randori.

So what if he hasnt hit a Ippon Seoi Nage in Randori, neither Have I?

How long have you been doing judo for? BJJ? I know you can use it in wrestling but its less common.

You've hit many of these I assume?

[J-Luck]

So what if he hasnt hit a Ippon Seoi Nage in Randori, neither Have I?

How long have you been doing judo for? BJJ? I know you can use it in wrestling but its less common.

You've hit many of these I assume?

A. You don't run your mouth claiming to be a skilled judoka who has excellent throwing ability as does omadumbass.

B. I've hit more in wrestling, but have not had too much trouble in judo with it, because wrestling introduced me into it.

C. I've been doing Bjj on and off for a few years now. Judo for a year or two, also on and off. My main trouble is not dedication, it's money. I have a pretty decend job now so I'm hopin for the best. Honestly, I would train all day if I could.

D. Isn't Ippon Seoi Nage one of the first throws you learned? It was for me. I'm not sure how other schools work.