This man may be the true "World's Most Dangerous Man"....

[The Colonie Crusher]

Ike Ibeabuchi. Knocked out the virtually (at the time) un-hittable Chris Byrd, went to war with David Tua and set the record between the two for the most punches thrown in a heavyweight fight, is an undefeated heavyweight pro boxer, and not to mention one big ass jacked up dude. The man is 6'2 245 and can hit like a mother****er. Watch some of his fights. Imagine if he hit Kerr or Coleman with a right hand? Ouch!

However he is a bit mentally unstable as he is currently sitting in a mental hospital right now. The man is nuts.

I think he would tear shit up in NHB. Come to think of it, what heavyweight boxer WOULDN'T tear shit up in NHB?

[Edited by The Colonie Crusher on 12-04-2000 at 10:13 PM]

[YeLLa-TiGeR]

Most strikers take a long long time to adjust to the ground game as well as defending against the clinch and takedowns. If the boxers have to change their stance to better defend against the takedowns, wont their power be affect as well?

[Hookah Smokin Caterpillar]

Good point Yella, not to mention a certain Heavyweight boxer that would beat your boy named Mike Tyson admitted he'd lose in a MMA fight. So, your point in invalid. Also, do you honestly think its that easy to hit someone? You're acting like Kerr would stand up and try to throw bombs with him.

[YeLLa-TiGeR]

Yeah, take Mo. Smith as an example, gets taken down alot and his punches dont really stand out as much as everyone else. Granted that he is old, but he has been in the game for years, and he still cant defend the takedown most of the time.

[Shimora]

Tyson did not say that. The comment does not even make sense so why would he say it?

Wether or not a boxer would do well in an MMA match all depends on who is opponent is. Tyson could not and would not just make a blanket statemt "I would always lose in an MMA match".

When these ADCC reporters arent running around carrying the jocks of B fighters maybe they could interview Tyson and find out the truth. If Tyson would even give them the time of day that is.

[Sean]

ttt

[Sean]

Dear Colonie: My name is Sean Reed, I am Nick Sanzo's (Renzo Gracie purple belt) assistant instructer. I rolled w/ you a couple of times when you visited our school.

First of all, let me say that I like you, and that this post is intended to enlighten you and others who may be confused about what happens in a real fight. I do not mean to flame and/or embarrass you.

However, I must respond to your completely misinformed notion that a pure boxer would have any chance of success against a properly trained mixed martial artist who is good enough to be succesful in NHB or Limited Rules fighting.

As you know, I box, and I have tremendous respect for boxers, and boxings role in developing all around fighting skills. The complete fighter must develop hand skills, and boxing is far and away the best method of developing punching skills. Nonetheless, boxing is amn incomplete martial art

Virtually all fights (especially if the person being hit has any distance-closing skills)go to the clinch, and this is where boxers (except for some good inside punchers, but they can also be beaten) become virtually clueless. Tell me, how many times during a typical round are boxers separated? 10 or 15 maybe. Each time this happens, if it were a real fight, the game goes from boxing to infighting/grappling.

As a stated above, I like you, but this nonsense promulgation of yours has to stop. The only boxers who have been successful are those that have a grappling background, especially wrestling, which is the art par-excellent at defending the takedown. To demeonstrate this fact, I invite you to visit my dojo, and I will demonstrate to you just how easy it is to take down a boxer, which I belive you are.

Again, I emphasize that I mean you no ill will. In fact, my true objective is to get you to study Jui-jitsu with us again. You will learn that we spend a great deal of time on takedowns, striking defense, and closing the distance against a striker. You really need to experiance this to appreciate the value of a skilled grappling takedown, and to put the overall fighting skills of boxing in its proper perspective. I will be training tonight.

Sincerely, Sean Reed

[Underdog]

Damn, Sean, this is "proving my ground" at its best!

Lot of respect for that.

You have just acquired a new Italian friend...

[david a]

Oh Oh,

Better get out the tensor bandages and box of tissues... I smell a challenge happ'nin.




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Quick hands are good, a gun is better.

-unkown.



[Edited by david a on 12-05-2000 at 01:16 PM]

[Sean]

Thanks Underdog ( I loved the cartoon, which lets u know how old I am). By the way, if ur ever in Albany, ur invited to train at our school. U will have to submit to a weapons search, however.

Sean

[YeLLa-TiGeR]

LOL

[Mickey Finn]

Make sure the fire insurance is paid up as well.

[Underdog]

Now I'm starting to think that I have a bad rep...


Really, I'm only a coffee shop owner...

At least until I'm wearing my hunter trunks...

[pfsjkd]

It didn't sound to me like Colonie Crusher was saying 'boxing is best'. It sounded to me like he was saying that a heavyweight boxer would do resonably well in NHB because his punching skills are so much more developed than the average NHBer (seriously, who in NHB can even come close to punching with Mike Tyson's power?).

I think this is a reasonable assumption (key word being 'assumption'). Does this mean a heavyweight is unbeatable in NHB? Well, NO ONE is unbeatable in any arena but the bottom line is that it's the fighther, not the style that wins the fight. To say a heavyweight will always lose against a skilled NHBer is just as false as saying that he will always win.

Don't get me wrong Sean, I agree with you in general. Boxing has its uses, but it also has its limitations.

[Jay White]

colonie crusher

I'm just going to keep my mouth shut!!!!! The Colonie Crusher is never going to accept your challange Sean.

[Edited by Jay White on 12-06-2000 at 08:22 AM]