Brazilian Capoeira

[hEmPY]

As the title says Brazilian Capoeira. All I know bout it iz thatz a flashy dance that was developed like a MA system? In Brazil (where it was borned) it iz banned!

I look at the Capoeiristaz dance and it lookz like super MA; it iz effective and fancy. I mean jus' look at it, dont u want to learn it? That iz like all MA should be. Yeah.....


....back to reality
No comment: Jus' compare it w/ MT....

However, I constantly hear that Capoeira in brazil is sumthin bigger then jiu-jitsu (unbelievable?) I hear that Street Capoeirista is much bigger then Lewis in UK. Street Capoerista can make that dance become lethal.

Aaaahhhh Brazilianz!... U have to share yo experience w/ me!
Did u saw Capo-street-fight, then u should tell me how does it looks and what it is all bout, yeah. How is it different from boxin, thai boxin, Judo, etc. If u heard a story about it and u think it iz real stuff, post it here!

P.S. ANythin that iz real bout Martial Capoeira should be posted here

[CKD]

Well I am pretty sure street capoeria is pretty much the same as the other flashy type with headbutts. I also know that the Gracies have fought and defeated many street capoeiratist in Brazil without to much trouble. Vanderli Silvas debut was against a coapoeria fighter in Brazil. It was a muay thai vs coapoeria fights and muay thai won them all.

[MindFighter]

capoeira

capoeira is great for physical conditioning and overall balance. I dont belive those high kicks and flips and highly acrobatic moves to be very effective against a skilled grappler. Its more similar to olimpic gymnastics than martial arts. Of course, in a street fight against an average joe, ANY style plus overall physical/mental conditioning can make a big difference.

i heard in the old days the brazilian slaves (who developed the art) used to fight with knifes tied to their feet so the art became deadly.

[Doce]

facts about capoeira

I am taking capoeira right now and it is not all flashy stuff and high kicks. If you are taking that from something you have seen then maybe you have seen a performance and not an actual game. There are also low kicks as well as several sweeps, takedowns, and evasions. There are several different games that are played in capoeira. The flashy stuff is mostly not used during a game when you are actually fighting or sparring with another person. In a regional game you will see capoeiristas (players) in a mix of high and low positions trying to outmanuver their opponent. In an angola game you will see players very low to the ground most of the time again trying to outmanuver their opponents. You usually won't see players use their hands on each other accept for a few takedowns and of course blocks, but we are taught different hand strikes that can be used. Some groups do cross train a little BJJ also. Capoeira is different from most other martial arts in that you are constantly moving. It is not static.

Yes it is true that the slaves use too tie blades to their feet.
No it is not true that it is still banned in Brazil. It hasn't been banned officially since the 1930s.
Yes capoeira is bigger than BJJ in Brazil actually only second to soccer in the sports of Brazil.
No it is not a flashy dance developed into a MA system. It is a MA system that was disguised as a dance, so that the slaves could practice freely.

Enough for now, let me know if you have anymore questions...

Doce

[platinum_angel]

i believe capoeira is more of a expression of freedom than an effective martial art.............kind of like break dancing

[lonewolf9395]

I think Doce is right. Capoeira is a martial art disguised as a dance to enable the slaves the ability to practice. I have also heard that breakdancing evolved from Capoeria.

[IPON]

I thought this may help




NOWADAYS, it is thought that slaves from Angola,
who were first brought to Brazil in the 16th century,
developed Capoeira as a self-defense technique.

Basing themselves on traditional African dances and rituals,
these slaves practiced Capoeira in the work free hours
left to them, thus training both mind and body
for combat situations. As the slave-masters forbade
any kind of martial art, it was cloaked in the guise
of an innocent-looking recreational dance.
In the 17th century escaped-slaves founded
a number of "quilombos" (hidden slave-governed territories),
in which the Art of Capoeira was further perfected.

The inhabitants of Palmares, the largest of the quilombos,
fought a decade-long war againsttheir colonial oppressors.
Capoeira was used not only in direct combat, it also inspired
the battle strategy itself; feigning retreat, thus luring the
over-confident enemy into remote territories only to strike back
at an unsuspecting place and time.



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Mestre Pastinha Mestre Bimba


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The official prohibition of Capoeira remained
even after slavery was abolished in 1888.
It was nevertheless practiced by the poorer population
on public hollidays, during work-free hours and similar occasions.
Riots, caused also by police interference, were common.
Persecution and punishment were almost successful in eradicating
Capoeira from the "streets" of Brazil by the 1920's.
In spite of the ban, Master Bimba and Master Pastinha
founded the first Capoeira schools in Salvador, Bahia.
Master Bimba created a new style, the "Capoeira Regional"
(as opposed to the tratditional "Capoeira Angola")
by incorporating new moves and techniques and was
finally successful in convincing the authorities of the cultural
value of Capoeira, thus ending the official ban in the 1930's.



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[Doce]

i believe capoeira is more of a expression of freedom than an effective martial art.............kind of like break dancing

Trust me Platinum Angel, it is much more than an expression of freedom and more effective than you think. Breaking dancing was an expression of freedom that evolved from capoeira and it not at all an effective martial art. Most of the performances of capoeira that people see are just that performances. They are not actual games in which you see the core of the art. A lot of people think that because capoeira is not as static and upright as some of the eastern martial arts that it is not effective. The truth is in fact the opposite. It is easier for a capoeirista to outmanuver a person because it is as much a part of the game as the kicks and sweeps.

Doce

[hEmPY]

I am taking capoeira right now and it is not all flashy stuff and high kicks. If you are taking that from something you have seen then maybe you have seen a performance and not an actual game. There are also low kicks as well as several sweeps, takedowns, and evasions. There are several different games that are played in capoeira. The flashy stuff is mostly not used during a game when you are actually fighting or sparring with another person. In a regional game you will see capoeiristas (players) in a mix of high and low positions trying to outmanuver their opponent. In an angola game you will see players very low to the ground most of the time again trying to outmanuver their opponents. You usually won't see players use their hands on each other accept for a few takedowns and of course blocks, but we are taught different hand strikes that can be used. Some groups do cross train a little BJJ also. Capoeira is different from most other martial arts in that you are constantly moving. It is not static.

Dude.. First of all, if the Capoeira ur taking does not look like a Capoeira we used to, are u sure it is a form of Capoeira? I mean if u say that u take Capoeira we never see, it can be the same story like Jeet Kune Do. Theres alot of masters of JKD that use only philosophy part of it and think thats enough to be called JKD school.
Second. If ur taking Capoeira like a MA Im sure u do spar. So I think u can shoot me a video clip so I can get the idea of it. Would u do it for me, for us?

[Doce]

Yes I am sure it is capoeira. And there are tons of videos on the web. But you really have to know the differences between the games. Just to name a few sites... www.zumzumzum.com and www.capuraginga.com

And just for the record, I am not a dude...

Doce

[hEmPY]

They move good on those videos, but I dont see them kickin each other when have an opportunity. Also, no blood.

When u c people spar do they hit each other or that is jus' a game?

[Doce]

Again it depends on which game we are playing. The music that is played tells you what kind of game that you should play. Some games are definitely more agressive than others. Sometimes you "show" that the other player left themselves open to a kick or a takedown to keep the flow of the game. If it is an aggressive game you just do it and of course flow doesn't matter as much in those games.

LOL at the the "no blood" comment. There is a little blood shed here and there, but it usually doesn't make it on video. Of course the objective is not to shed blood anyway. Just to outsmart your opponent.

In capoeira, sparring is actually called a game. It is not in the sense that you are thinking though. The higher you are in capoeira the more contact you will experience. Since we are taught how to evade and to attack equally, you will not see a lot of landed kicks, but you will see a lot of getting behind your opponent and trippin up your opponent so that you can land a kick or takedown.

Hope all this helps you guys understand capoeira a bit better...

Doce

[aseepish]

They move good on those videos, but I dont see them kickin each other when have an opportunity. Also, no blood.

When u c people spar do they hit each other or that is jus' a game?

i.e. Do you have any clips of Capoeirista fighting with straight-razors?

[Doce]

The straight blades were used long ago, but you may be able to catch some street capoeiristas in Brazil using them. As far as I know they are not used in the schools. In other words I have never seen a real life roda or video of one using blades.

Doce

[hEmPY]

Doce.. girl, can I have sum aggressive game Capoeira video?