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  • #16
    I'll see what I can find on the net otherwise you make have to buy one of the videos...

    Doce

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    • #17
      Doce is right.

      First of all, there are two types of capoeira, one called angola, one called regional. The one you will see as a performance most often is regional. It is not really a martial art at all, but based on flashy moves. Thats why they stand back from each other soo far so that they dont stuff up. Capoeira regional was developed by Mestre Bimba, he took what was the traditional style (capoeira angola) which was learnt in a very pragmatic and street based way, and formulated a set systeme of teaching techniques and created institutions for teaching.

      Now capoiera angola, which is hte original form of capoeira (its traditional form) (and hence named angola, referring to its origins from african nation and its slaves brought to brazil), is extremely dangerous and lethal. But you have to remember that capoeira angola is a form of fight, not martial art!

      it was born in the very dangerous and cut-throat streets of teh cities and towns of Brazil during the 1800's, as well as wars between BRazil and Paraguay, where capoeiristas where used as front line solidiers. Therefore it is about trickery, cunning and surprise. It is about evasion and quick counter attack. It is not about a formal meeting of people who spar and have set rules. There are no rules at all in capoeira angola, the eye gauge was a form of attack in it, but when you play it, it has an ethic...

      hope this helps.

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      • #18
        I found out something interesting. Silvas first fight was against a Caporia person. It was a touph fight and although Silva won he suffered a cut that kept him from continuing.

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        • #19
          more than a dance

          "Here is an very interesting excerpt from Kimura's my judo book. Also included is Carlson Gracies view on Santana. It is amazing that Kimura could draw with the Brazil No. 2 VT champion when he was past his prime. This is a great excerpt and I would like to hear your comments on it.

          "My opponent Adema (Valdimar) Santana was a 25 year old black man, and was a boxing heavy weight champion. He was 4th dan in judo, and a capoeira champion as well. He was 183cm had a well proportioned impressive physique. His weight was close to 100kg. Bahia, where the match took place, is a port city where black slaves were unloaded. The slaves were forbidden to carry a weapon. As a result, many martial arts were developed by them, I heard. Vale Tudo is one of such martial arts."

          This quote was posted some time ago, most that read it enjoy the story, but most people missed this part of the story. I think if you really want to judge it (Capoeria) then finding a true Mestre my help as for clips with straight razors LOL.. come on even most Kali teachers demo with non-sharpen blades, it’s not like you see then in a real fight on tape, unless it’s filmed in Mexico. But the critics are right about the lack of contact, and what fighting style that doesn’t focus on grappling fairs well against grappling? Get in a roda with some cats that know it well and break it down for your self. Then no one can argue with your opinion (for the critics) also make sure you have it on tape as we all would love to see it.

          To add to the stories of the NHB challenges in Brazil can we say for sure that the guys that got their a** handled to them were all top notch, not that it would have mattered, but to simply dismiss the History and Fight as meaningless because a few so-and-so’s got beat down (like most other MA styles that faced Bjj) is kind of odd to me, especially since other forms of grappling has caught up with some Bjj stylist, and dealt out defeats.
          People aren’t leaving Bjj schools saying bjj sucks. And unless it was really No Holds Barred (with weapons) you know all out gang warfare who can say that Capoeria is useless?
          Lastly Break dancing and Capoeria have a common Ancestor that is why they flavor each other, you would have to look into our history of dance in the US to see what I mean. In short if you are not a good fighter is doesn’t matter what you take you will get got. If I was lucky enough to beat a very skilled grappler in fight (not sporting event) I wouldn’t wear a badge claiming that grappling sucks. Not very wise to put everyone in the same boat .MO

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          • #20
            figured id add my oppinion

            if you want to find decent capoeira (sum with actual capoeira (not just acrobatics) and aggressive games with contact) search file sharng programs win mx kazaa warez etc search long and hard enough and may just find what you are looking for also the gracies father was deafeated by a capoeirista to finish what hopefully wont become one of those dum my martial art is better than yours conversation Capoeira is a MartIaL ArT so as with any martial art You have to know How to UsE It (at one point or an other it was effective) The martial art dose not make a person a great fighter and most every one looses one time or an other plus you have to look at who is teaching the art and unfortunatly now a days there are a lot of people out there who should not be teaching this might help, one guy or, girl who should not be teaching teaches more people who will later think they can teach and it keeps growing soon you have to look long and hard to find people who really know what they are doing and how to effectively use it

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            • #21
              Originally posted by picapaugcca
              also the gracies father was deafeated by a capoeirista

              Hi just curious who was this stylist who beat Helio (I assume you mean Helio Gracie). To my knowlege one of the people that beat Helio was a capoeeira sylist but also a former student of Helio's is this the same person you arereferring to or is there another. Again, just curious.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by picapaugcca
                unfortunatly now a days there are a lot of people out there who should not be teaching this might help, one guy or, girl who should not be teaching teaches more people who will later think they can teach and it keeps growing soon you have to look long and hard to find people who really know what they are doing and how to effectively use it
                Thats so true , thats the same thing that happened to wing chun &wing tsun,
                students were being offered the chance to teach b4 they knew how to use the system themseles, eventually dilutes it, all about money I spose.
                The local capoeira group around here is definetly just performance orientated , but I think that is the main reason people take it up in UK, they think the movements look cool , rather than use it for self defence.

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                • #23
                  Capoeira guys are hot.

                  You know it.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Doce
                    I am taking capoeira right now and it is not all flashy stuff and high kicks. If you are taking that from something you have seen then maybe you have seen a performance and not an actual game.
                    It depends on which style of capoeira you're doing as well, as there's a few. Which one are you?

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Joagrande
                      it was born in the very dangerous and cut-throat streets of teh cities and towns of Brazil during the 1800's, as well as wars between BRazil and Paraguay, where capoeiristas where used as front line solidiers. Therefore it is about trickery, cunning and surprise. It is about evasion and quick counter attack. It is not about a formal meeting of people who spar and have set rules. There are no rules at all in capoeira angola, the eye gauge was a form of attack in it, but when you play it, it has an ethic...
                      Very true, some of those guys back then were almost as deadly with straight razors as an escrimador.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by cakegirl
                        Capoeira guys are hot.

                        You know it.
                        Sooooo.....you're single right? LMAO j/k

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                        • #27
                          Single enough

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                          • #28
                            thanx cake girl

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                            • #29
                              interested in capoeira visit www.grupocafu.com

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