what new martial art would be most valuble

[sirmattu]

i already study tkd, judo, and kb - what now?

[team money]

you could learn maybe some tae kuan do (sorry if i spelt it wrong)

[sirmattu]

dude are you serious..... are you trying to spell tae kwon do? thats what tkd is. duhh

[m.artist]

don't know what kb is, but i know tkd was probably not the greatest choice. depending on ur skill level in judo, if it's high, i would say a better striking art, if it wasn't the greatest, i would say jiujutsu
as for a more complete art, i would say either jkd or shorite ryu taijutsu

[Uncle Corny]

first of all, every martial art form is valuable. in a real life scenario, they're pretty much worthless, but if you want to get flexible, in shape, have a better understanding of asian history, and basically have a morally straight demeanor, any martial art form will suffice. what are you looking for?

[IPON]

don't know what kb is

Kick Boxing (I assume anyway)

[IPON]

i already study tkd, judo, and kb - what now?

Dude I don't understand teh question? when you say what now, my question would be How much have you learned if you have a BB in all three is one thing if you have a yellow/orange belt is a completely different story and I would say that you need to spend more time in those respective styles.

Why does there need to be a what now. If you have not done any research how do you expect anyone to help you

[m.artist]

ahh right
forgot about that
thank you
ah carry on

[sirmattu]

don't know what kb is, but i know tkd was probably not the greatest choice. depending on ur skill level in judo, if it's high, i would say a better striking art, if it wasn't the greatest, i would say jiujutsu
as for a more complete art, i would say either jkd or shorite ryu taijutsu

what wrong with tkd?

[Uke]

i already study tkd, judo, and kb - what now?

Well being that you've studied 2 kicking styles and a grappling style, I would suggest that you take up a style that puts emphasis on hand techniques like western boxing or wing chun. Its good to be well rounded. Aikido wouldn't hurt either, as it helps you to govern distance, blend with aggression, and unbalance opponents in order to set them up for your judo training.

You see, it really depends on what you're training for. If you're training for the hell of it, then it's your preference.

If you're training for sport-like activities such as MMA or kickboxing competitions, then all you need to add is the western boxing techniques and you'll be pretty solid.

Now if its preparation for reality (street/urban confrontations) that you're interested in, you'd be better off switching to another style as soon as possible. You're learning a lot of bad habits that will get you killed on the street. All it takes is a reflex technique, and a major vein or organ is damaged enough to bleed you to death. Not saying that all techniques don't have their place, but that’s exactly my point. You cannot switch on a "lethal mode" and change what you've learned in your brain for street reality. There is no point fighting in the street. There are no clean breaks. There are no restarts. There are no disqualifications. You can't tap out. You can't throw a towel in. Its a known fact that when its all on the line, you pick your best, most confident techniques that you believe won't fail to keep you alive. You won't see axe kicks or weak powered, point kicks that tap you in 3 different places. Unfortunately you do see many people try to grapple, even when a weapon is present, and sadly the majority of the time those people lose their lives. But they went to what they were used to doing to win. Whether its in the ring, the dojo or previous times they've gotten lucky. They were lulled by their instructors into believing that they could out grapple a blade. That kind of confidence kills.

To get to the point, what I'm saying is if you're training/studying to survive the crazies in the world, stop the TKD and kickboxing now. They're imbedding the imprint of sport techniques in your brain that will get you killed. Many traditional arts do the same. For instance, if you attempted to use a traditional karate rising block against a man wielding a knife, you'd more than likely get either seriously injured or killed. But let me say this and get this out of the way ... Its not impossible to successfully execute ANY technique. Now that I've stated that and got that out of the way, let's be honest with ourselves. If the guy with the knife is a bumbling, uncoordinated oaf who is already breathing heavy from exhaustion, well then yeah, a traditional karate rising block might work. However, if the guy with the knife has studied even a small amount of arnis or kali, you're gone if he's even the slightest bit competent.

On another thread, I've already written that many of these "tough guys" who speak and write articles about how many fights they've had and how long they've gone undefeated are not telling you that 95% of their statistics are drunken guys whose reflexes were probably less than half their normal speed. Either that or the fight was in controlled conditions, like when the Gracies fight while surrounded in a circle by 20 of their on looking relatives. Those fights in my view are not at all examples of reality, based solely on the fact that they are attempting maneuvers that they wouldn't otherwise try if it were not for safety rules, or their controlled environment. I don't believe Royce would be willing to shoot in and attempt a mount or the guard if a guy with a knife was squaring off with him in an alley....and his brothers weren't there. Kickboxing and western boxing many times will have you respecting an opponent too much simply because they're conditioned to the rules of boxing. No competent fighter will back out of close quarters once he's closed the distance, and boxers do it in and out of the ring all the time.

Do some research and locate a school you might be interested in. Go to the school and find out what the curriculum is like first, and once you do you can usually determine if the school's goal is to prepare you for sport, street or fitness. Do they allow contact, and if so, full contact? Do they teach weapons? Or do they teach weapon concepts so that anything you put in your hand becomes a weapon? Do they teach knife and gun disarms? And if so are the techniques designed to work on common street thugs, or experienced practitioners? Can anyone use the style you're interested in, or just the very athletic?

And my number one thing to investigate is how long it takes the average student to become competent once they enroll. A good school should have you understanding concepts within the first month, and you should notice a sizeable difference in your ability and confidence within the first year. Anyone who states that you are required to attend their school for years before they'll reveal "the good stuff" is pulling your chain. Leave immediately. The best schools should have you doing the same thing everyone else is doing from day one. Of course you'll have to learn the basics first, but even if you don't do them well at first, you'll at least be in the practice of learning them with others who have experienced what you're about to go through.

So think about what it is that you want to accomplish. Sport, street or fitness...the choice in the end is up to you. Just make sure that you are aware of what each style equips you to do, and don't listen to a sales pitch. Its better that you do your own research on a particular style and school than ask someone who already attends. After all, no one believes that they're studying the "second best" style.

Peace

[Shimora]

Ninjitsu is the most complete fighting style, you should train Ninjitsu.

[m.artist]

what wrong with tkd?

too many mcdojo's that teach tae kwon crap

[sirmattu]

too many mcdojo's that teach tae kwon crap

thast not very nice

[m.artist]

it's not
that's true
but what also is true that im right
here in the us, and even in korea, too many people of focusing on the sport aspect of tkd. not enough on the martial aspect
and now a good 99% of the martial aspect has been completely lost
no offense, im just stating what i know from research and experience(mostly research though)
look, you may do tae kwon do,and be really good at it, and can actually fight. hey that's great
but not everyone can. if you want a good korean art, i would recommend hapkido, or hwarang do
but that's just me
again, no offense intended

[tekshow]

i would highly reccomend some tai chi. More specifically Qigong and Yichuan along with the traditional forms. Especially if you plan to keep up your external arts like Judo or Kick Boxing.

Tai chi when taught right gives you this sweet ability to be relaxed and fluid in whatever you do. That relaxation creates tremendous power, agility, balance, and health as some of the benefits. It has a lot to do with body connectivity, structure, breath work and conditioning. It really does help though and as a smaller fighter myself my boxing has seen incredible gains. I am 165 or so and the other night for example i sparred with a guy who is my height but he's about 230 completely ripped as heck. The guy lives in the gym and his arm is as big as his head. Since i've been taking tai chi my body movement seems much more connected, and even before we started sparring i was knocking him back just doing focus mitts and this big guy complimented me on my power. As my sifu says "i'm not better than you. i've just been driving the car longer. Martial Arts are like cars, once you learn how to drive well, you can drive them all."


Tai Chi is the freaking cornerstone of movment in my humble opinion. Real Tai Chi, not old people in the park wafting and flailing their arms about for health and arthritits. Granted its there, but do you want McDojo Tai Chi or the real deal? You just have to look for it like anything else.



Good luck in your quest, let us know if you land somewhere and what you've started taking. cheers.
tekshow