My first Knock out.

[YeLLa-TiGeR]

Its hard to say. Im thinking since I have been training in Olympic TKD so long, I think my speed with my kicks will hopefully always be superior and since the majority of TKD is well kicks. I will be able to judge range really well with them. My footwork will always be unorthadox and sidesteps in sparring will be still ingrained. And I know keeping my damn hands up will be a pain to learn. I think also think linking kicks together will be another habit.
In short, SPEED and footwork with my links will be postive assets for me.

Do you agree with this as well?

[Edited by YeLLa-TiGeR on 12-13-2000 at 06:49 PM]

[Nthman]

Knock OUts..

Hey GungFuHereo, are you a student at IU? I just graduated from there in May...studied TKD there as well.

[gungfuhero]

Actually I won't start IU until this upcoming fall. As of right now I'm a lowly High School Senior.I train at Monroe County Martial Arts. I train Tae Kwon Do, Jun Fan Gung Fu, Brazilian JiuJitsu/vale tudo, Kali, and occasionally Thai Boxing and Tai Chi.

I know a couple of people who teach martial arts at IU, but I'm not really affiliated or associated with any of them.

I completely agree with yella tiger on what the strengths of tkd are in the mma scene. It appears to me that footwork is perhaps the most neglected aspect of fighting in many camps, and anyone who can control the range controls the fight. TKD has more attack angles than most other systems; therefore, I think a tkd man who can fight realitically should do his best to overwhelm his opponent(given that anyone can beat anyone else on any given day).

Learning to keep one's hands up for head protection is hard if you haven't had to worry it before. I would look for a good boxing program, but don't forget about tkd hand tools such as the backfist, palm strikes, etc.

[Ryu (non-working password]

YeLLa, guess what?
My first knock out came when I was about 13 years old and sparring at a dojo using ......yep Tae Kwon Do!

Before I did judo, BJJ, and wrestling I made it up to black belt (though could not test for it cuz I had not enough money ) in karate and Tae Kwon Do. It was when I was a kid, and it was a McDojo so don't get too excited LOL!

But I kicked a kid in the head with a spinning cresent, and he crashed to the floor, and was wobbly getting up.

Then I grew up and wrestled...um...I got nearly knocked out with choke before...does that count?


Ryu

[Nthman]

I definitely think that TKDs kicks and foot work are powerful "tools" to have in one's arsenal. Being able to control the range of a fight is an important thing. It irritates me that TKD gets bad rap because of all the 6 year old kids etc and the 50 year olds that train 1x per month. Nothing wrong with that but I wouldn't consider myself a competant practictioner if I came in once a month and performed some poor kicks heh I think TKD has a LOT to offer and I get tired of it being put down. I guess its the popularity and the "make a quick buck" syndrome that has contributed to all this.

Sparred a 14 year old black belt the other day..what a joke. I mean for the black belt to mean anything it should represent a certain level of competency right? I am fairly large, 6'2" 230lbs and I pretty much blocked and avoided all his kicks and pushed him all around the room. I mean I am a lowly 3rd gup and he's a 1st dan so theoretically regardless of his age he would be superior right? Hmm

[Nthman]

By the way Gungfuhero, do you know Greg Lucas? He runs Lucas martial arts in bedford and teaches TKD and Jiu-jitsu at IU.

[YeLLa-TiGeR]

TKD can be good, but damn take it from me, if I took 6 years of Muay Thai or boxing rather than TKD, Id be more competent and a better fighter. Dont take me wrong, its a good martial art in the right hands. The trick is to take everything with a grain of salt. But IMO the 6 year old black belts and the 50 year old "senior belts" that cant even do a proper roundhouse is pretty pathetic. But can you really blame the seniors? I mean, I cant see myself doing a jump spinning hook kick when Im 35+ years old. I just wish they would finally step up and add some competition with less restrictive rules.

[HungryWolf21]

In further defense of TKD, I started in the martial arts six years ago with TKD. It was a little bit more traditional than modern TKD, and I have only a little bit of experience in the Olympic style. I have since moved onto Boxing, Muay Thai, & BJJ. I am fairly new to Thai, but the speed and efficiency of movement that I got from TKD really helped me to pick up Thai easier. TKD (modern TKD that is) focuses more on speed and movement, whereas Muay Thai puts heavy emphasis on power. You put those two together (along with good boxing skills), and you have a pretty lethal combination. I still use high kicks in Thai sparring with some success. However, it takes a lot more timing and skill to land them against someone who can box or clinch you. I think that practitioners of Muay Thai can benefit greatly from training in just the sporting aspects of TKD. Just look at what the combination of the two arts has done for the fighting ability of Ernie Reyes, Jr.

[Nthman]

I started TKD at Indiana University where it was a fairly traditional system..Chido Kwan type school. Form and technique were emphasised over sparring. At my current school we do sparring every day but we also do forms etc. I think that you really need both to be successful with TKD. You need a good technique base etc but if you have never sparred you will never hit the other person with your beautiful technique. Likewise if you have lots of sparring experience and no technique yeah, you may hit someone but it won't hurt them much if at all.

Ideally a study of grappling, TKD and perhaps Boxing would seem the best mixture..which is what we are seeing with MMA. To be a successful fighter you have to diversify.

[GinSueDog]

Dude, this has got to be the funniest thread yet since the forum has been back up. Bummer about the old guy though.-ED

[duchman]

my first ko was in judo! (throw)
Second one in kyokoshinkai

[YeLLa-TiGeR]

How duch? Did you get any KOs in Muay Thai?

[Mickey Finn]

Knocking people out with a kick while wearing wooden shoes doesn’t count.

[Elastic Man]

...and the judo throw doesn't count because it was done on a Red Light District hooker who wouldn't put out.

Jeff, the Elastic Man

[gungfuhero]

Nthman, what do you get out of forms training? How do they benefit tkd? Do you think most tkd forms accurately represent tkd?

I train forms at my school, and I've heard about the hidden movements and I can demonstrate them. I think forms build good attributes (ex: coordination, balance, gross body mechanics, etc.) but as a training method I'm not sure that they are essential, but more supplemental.

What are your feelings?